Dedicated Thread for Patch 2.55 Story Discussion/Spoilers

[Fenral]

I'm sorry, but neither Lolorito nor TelAdel gain anything from lying to Merlwyb and Kan-E about Nanamo's death. Whichever of them came out on top, it would have been more to his benefit to have them believe that Nanamo is still alive, much like he has convinced the Sultansworn. Since Nanamo never actually managed to dissolve the Sultanate, she remains the most powerful symbol of power in Ul'dah, even though she lacks (lacked) actual power and influence. With that great show he put on for them, there is no doubt in either of their minds that she really is dead, and thus no way her name can be used advantageously in dealings with Limsa or Gridania.

Lolorito probably wanted Nanamo to survive for that very reason, hence his disdain at how "well" the plan has gone off.

[AnnaMolly]

One other thing is the Rising Stones. This will sound corny to many but, when I'd idle, I was in Mor Dhona, around the bar, in the Rising Stones, that's where I returned to log off. It was my character's home and the Scion's her family. So just like the NPCs, I'm a refugee in this room in Camp Dragonhead, hopeful but uncertain about my fellow Scions. =/

Funny how that works.

[RaideDuku]

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Yeah, after taking some time and talking to major NPCs (Not just in Ul'dah) basically the Seed Seer and the Admiral has declared that the Warrior of Light is protect while within the borders of their lands. Of course, it's also pointed out that you should stay away from dark allies, secluded areas, and other places where you could conveniently "vanish".

In Mor Dhona, the Domans pretty much say that anyone that messes with you there will be vanished.

In Ul'dah proper, the whole incident is being kept under wraps. All that's being said is the the sultana is gravely ill, the WoL and Scions had a hand in it. Of course, thanks to all the people that you helped, it's being taken with a grain of salt.

The Crimson Flames, who are loyal to Rhubhan, are trying to figure out a way to take the city back from the Monetarists, but want to figure a way to do it without Ul'dah plunging into civil war, more and likely causing the deaths of many innocents and wrecking the hell out of the city. It also why it's why you should continue supporting them. They're the non-corrupt side of Ul'dah's army, so keeping them supplied is a good idea, since the Monetarists probably aren't going to being giving them much in the way of anything, now. Straight up disbanding them would be overplaying their hand, but denying them resources? Sure thing.

The reason the Crystal Braves and Brass Blades just don't arrest you while strolling around Ul'dah is because people wouldn't stand for it, and civil war would likely break out over it. It's also in the Monetarists best interest to not have a civil war start. You can't make money if the city gets wrecked and a bunch of people die. Besides that, you have the backing of the Adventurer's Guild and Craft and Gather guilds if you got those to 50. That's a lot of powerful groups to piss off. Better if they can just make you disappear, which is why I wish S-E would add random assassination attacks while you're out in the boonies.

So the whole thing has become a political stalemate. No one dares to do anything because Ul'dah's become a powder keg ready to blow. I do hope they actually deal with this stuff in Heavensward, if for no other reason to have a reason to still hang around the original areas. Plus I'd be ticked if they just let this lie until 4.0.

Oh, and Nanamo is dead. As sad as it is, I'd be pissed if they brought her back. It'd just feel cheap. Same with the Scions. They don't all have to die, but some should, and those that survived should be worse for wear.

[MsQuiltALot]

I finished about 4 hours after the servers came up, but just found this thread...

They got us.... They have pulled out every emotional trick in the book. They even made some of us hate the writers for the storyline!

WOW! Is all I can say. Think about it. We ARE after that point, the dejected Warrior of Light trudging through the snow and thinking about how much we have lost - just like in the trailer. The whole thing was orchestrated to put us in a MOOD - not to give us choices or more things that were playable. I think they succeeded.

For those complaining about the fact that they couldn't participate, and only watch events unfold around them... That's the whole point. Sometimes things happen you can't influence or change. Not participating only amplified the feelings of anger and frustration, depression and loss.

Sure, there is always a possibility that things will not be what they seem, but for now, they've created the perfect mood for the expansion.

[Naria]

The whole point was to make me want to go replay Dragon Age instead of Heavensward? Because that's basically where I am at. My main reason for sticking around is I still have friends playing.

[ElieDavion]

Also for people saying "Why didn't we just fight our way out, why don't you go to a level 50 dungeon (unsynced) and see how far you can get through with no help. You didn't defeat Bahamut a party of 8 using teamwork did, You didn't beat any primals, parties did. Also without the blessing of Hydelyn storywise we should be vulnerable to tempering now (notice we haven't fought any primals since?)

just something minor the echo (wich we still have) prevented us from being tempered not the blessing of light

[TheRogueX]

So.

I didn't read through all 34 pages, but.. my main job may be Paladin.. however..

The instant Nanamo was poisoned, the my first thought was "I'm a White Mage. Esuna that crap."

But I had to sit there, passive, watching it happen.

Then she dies. My next thought is. "I'm a White Mage, Raise that poor lala."

But I had to sit there, passive, watching it happen. I could have even had her back up before TelAdel even showed up and have thrown a wrench into the entire plan. When they showed up, with what, 4 Brass Blades? I could have pushed through them (lore has pretty much determined that I'm more powerful than a handful of Brass Blades) and grabbed the handmaiden, who I saw last with the wine and interrogated her. I could have done many, many things in the following cutscenes.

Now, don't get me wrong, I have no issue with the events that occurred in the story. They should have just occurred differently, in a way to where my agency as a player wasn't so completely stripped from me and my character.

[Wildsprite]

With that great show he put on for them, there is no doubt in either of their minds that she really is dead, and thus no way her name can be used advantageously in dealings with Limsa or Gridania.

Lolorito probably wanted Nanamo to survive for that very reason, hence his disdain at how "well" the plan has gone off.

see I don't think it was Lolorito's plan at the start. infact I don't think he had little to nothing to do with it till after Teledji dies.
we don't know what the NPC talking to him is talking about really. for all we know she is confirming that Nanamo is restrained somewhere.
I point to my own reply to this and the one below it

oh, and Nanamo is dead. As sad as it is, I'd be pissed if they brought her back. It'd just feel cheap. Same with the Scions. They don't all have to die, but some should, and those that survived should be worse for wear.

pissed or not there is the fact that her death is not confirmed by anyone you can trust, the body is not examined with you present and I suspect the reason is because she is still breathing but we will see

and from another thread

Oh please, we see her drink a nondescript poison with unknown effects, nobody is allowed to examine the body and the only people who say she is dead is a known liar and conman and a traitor to his friend, nation and employer.

She's totally alive.

The whole thing was orchestrated to put us in a MOOD - not to give us choices or more things that were playable.

got me in a MOOD alright. I almost canceled my pre-order cause of this.
too many questions unanswered and a story full of plotholes and not small ones either HUGE HOLY!@#$ I SAW THAT COMING plotholes.

super not happy to have them release such a cliffhanger with so much time before the release of the explainsion. no scratch that I'm plain old angry about it. I would have been happier if they waited till May to release this mess of a story.

[meetch2488]

The good thing I took from this is that it reminded me that Game of Thrones starts soon...

[Causality]

Once leaving and learning the state of affairs. My one character returned home and immediately did this. He will cry for days. Requiescat in pace.