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[Aivi_lo]

One thing I am interested in is there are no other real high value items other than housing, what do people who do use rmt spend it on?

For the record I haven't and never plan use rmt

[Songi]

One thing I am interested in is there are no other real high value items other than housing, what do people who do use rmt spend it on?

For the record I haven't and never plan use rmt

Crafted gear, expensive glamours, minions like Nutkins, Fat Cats, Bluebirds, T9-13 clears, EX primal clears/farms...I've crossed paths with plenty of gil buyers when I've sold primal clears.

[Ashkendor]

I should have just done rmt like everyone else to get enough.

Way to spit in the face of everyone who bought a house legitimately. Look, I sympathize with the fact that the more populated servers don't have any small houses left (mine doesn't either), but this is a completely unfounded accusation. I put 20 million gil into my FC house and bought a small house of my own. I didn't need RMT to do that and I resent the accusation that I did. You being upset about the lack of available housing on your server doesn't mean you should fling around random accusations at people that work their tails off to earn gil.

Just hang onto your money and we'll eventually get more wards.

[Aeyis]

I'm I'm saying that's how it works for me. I don't spend my entire life on here and those are my reasons, my real life is not an excuse, sad you think it is. I can mention my life how I choose without you needing to censor it.

The way you phrase it, it's totally an excuse. And for some odd reason also trying to blame others for the way they play the game.

With all this content being locked behind housing, they really need to do something about it. It's really going to suck for the new players that heavensward will bring in.

Chocobo color
Gardening
Buffs
group crafting
airship and Sky content
FC Summons
Aetherial Wheel

All locked behind a first-come-first-serve wall for content SE has repeatedly said is "only casual"

All of which is available in a FC house. Which is off-topic?
Not sure what you are referring to as ''group crafting'' tho.

But you can only take 1mil with you, or scout and buy items that will hopefully give you back your hard earned money if you play the market boards. Not an optimal solution.

You can make lots of gil with that actually. Seen a few people do just that. (there's been a guy with 60+ MDs on my mb)

Every time someone offers this as a solution to the problem, a nest full of baby nutkins gets squished by a Behemoth.

Also, I facepalm.

As would I, but then I realise that people buy minions and etc for far more (total) then the price of changing servers...and a house is kind of a bigger form of vanity item then minions?

[Zelas]

As would I, but then I realise that people buy minions and etc for far more (total) then the price of changing servers...and a house is kind of a bigger form of vanity item then minions?

Not because of the price, though. Because the solution itself is not one. It's a massive, and pretty much unacceptable compromise. I'm waiting for more housing to be added so I can get a house with my FC, right now. Should I ask them all, and all of the friends I've made in the last two years, to transfer to a different server so I can get my FC a home?

That's a completely unreasonable idea.

[MageBlack]

All of which is available in a FC house. Which is off-topic?
Not sure what you are referring to as ''group crafting'' tho.

That stymies the creation of New FC's, Join an existing one or play the Russian roulette of housing. Does nothing if SE is expecting an influx of new players with Heavensward. Our FC is a close knit group of RL friends, we don't have a FC house (but we do have the money for a medium) and dont want to be absorbed by another FC just for the sake of housing. Our own choice i realize but this does not excuse the lack of available houses, first-come-first-serve is a terrible way to do any major content like this. Could you imagine what would happen if Relic Weapons were treated like this? Only the first 1500 people to get their relic weapon get one, the rest have to wait for those people to sell, discard, or trade out their relic weapon.

Group Crafting is the new content coming in Heavensward where FC's build an airship in their basement and then can use it to explore new areas with RNG items and content. Yay for being locked out of that!

You can make lots of gil with that actually. Seen a few people do just that. (there's been a guy with 60+ MDs on my mb)

Its a chance too and not an optimal way to solve this problem. It still does nothing for new players or people who werent there the second the servers went live. I tried but had issues logging in for the first hour at which point i saw on the forums that my server had literally sold out of plots. I gave up and went to bed since it was 4am...

PS: I'm sure more wards will be coming with 3.0 but will it be enough? Is the current system good for personal homes? should the personal home be changed to a different system to free up the wards for FC housing? will the additional wards go to the servers where they are needed or be a blanket addition leaving some servers still full up while others have whole wards that are empty, wasting the resources.

[Akuryu]

You guys can attack the OP all you want, but deep down you know the housing system in this game is terrible. It's probably the worst of any modern MMO I've played. I could list scores of MMOs that do player housing better, but I don't have to. You know it's awful. You're going after him over his rmt comment because that's easier than defending the over-priced and severely limited system SE has set up.

[kyuven]

over-priced

I've actually been thinking about this point recently...
Is it really overpriced? We don't pay rent or "taxes" like many, MANY other games do, so once we drop our money, it's our house for good (which is part of the problem right now but still).
Other games have you paying large sums of money and then paying MORE money every week or so in order to keep it/maintain access to it.
So yeah, it's limiting since there aren't enough small houses to go around, but I'd definitely argue that it's not overpriced.

[Renik]

You guys can attack the OP all you want, but deep down you know the housing system in this game is terrible. It's probably the worst of any modern MMO I've played. I could list scores of MMOs that do player housing better, but I don't have to. You know it's awful. You're going after him over his rmt comment because that's easier than defending the over-priced and severely limited system SE has set up.

The system is good, one of the bests i have seen, the server implementation on the other hand is bad, the prices are also good, a ilvl50 crafter can make a min of 300k week, and MUCH more if you're dedicated about it.

What is bad as far as i can talk (because i can't know how they manage the memory of their servers) is how every server is given the same number of plots no matter it's population, and how there are not plots or whole areas reserved for FC housing only.

Other than that the system is good.

[Aeyis]

That stymies the creation of New FC's, Join an existing one or play the Russian roulette of housing.

All of those features were ment to promote just that tho.

Only the first 1500 people to get their relic weapon get one, the rest have to wait for those people to sell, discard, or trade out their relic weapon.

This argument was made before, but I decided not to respond then. My reply:
Then I would actually bother to obtain a fully upgraded relic weapon, whereas I currently have not progressed beyond the first step.

Group Crafting is the new content coming in Heavensward where FC's build an airship in their basement and then can use it to explore new areas with RNG items and content. Yay for being locked out of that!

I figured as much. However, that is part of ''airships'', and shouldnt be listed as a seperate point.

Its a chance too and not an optimal way to solve this problem.

Not very chancy at all. It's no optimal solution, I agree with that. But the argument is more intended to point out the fallacy in the argument. ''you can only take 1m gil with you when you transfer'' That's a poor argument to use against transfering servers.

PS: I'm sure more wards will be coming with 3.0 but will it be enough? Is the current system good for personal homes? should the personal home be changed to a different system to free up the wards for FC housing? will the additional wards go to the servers where they are needed or be a blanket addition leaving some servers still full up while others have whole wards that are empty, wasting the resources.

I can't answer that. If it follows the same system of ''all servers have the same amount of plots'' then it seems like it will be the same situation as it is now. Not enough plots on the larger servers, empty wards on the smaller servers.

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You can but you don't have to. Most solid reasoning I've ever seen. Excellent arguments, great examples.

What is bad as far as i can talk (because i can't know how they manage the memory of their servers) is how every server is given the same number of plots no matter it's population, and how there are not plots or whole areas reserved for FC housing only.

Other than that the system is good.

Indeed.