gutted

[Aeyis]

That stymies the creation of New FC's, Join an existing one or play the Russian roulette of housing.

All of those features were ment to promote just that tho.

Only the first 1500 people to get their relic weapon get one, the rest have to wait for those people to sell, discard, or trade out their relic weapon.

This argument was made before, but I decided not to respond then. My reply:
Then I would actually bother to obtain a fully upgraded relic weapon, whereas I currently have not progressed beyond the first step.

Group Crafting is the new content coming in Heavensward where FC's build an airship in their basement and then can use it to explore new areas with RNG items and content. Yay for being locked out of that!

I figured as much. However, that is part of ''airships'', and shouldnt be listed as a seperate point.

Its a chance too and not an optimal way to solve this problem.

Not very chancy at all. It's no optimal solution, I agree with that. But the argument is more intended to point out the fallacy in the argument. ''you can only take 1m gil with you when you transfer'' That's a poor argument to use against transfering servers.

PS: I'm sure more wards will be coming with 3.0 but will it be enough? Is the current system good for personal homes? should the personal home be changed to a different system to free up the wards for FC housing? will the additional wards go to the servers where they are needed or be a blanket addition leaving some servers still full up while others have whole wards that are empty, wasting the resources.

I can't answer that. If it follows the same system of ''all servers have the same amount of plots'' then it seems like it will be the same situation as it is now. Not enough plots on the larger servers, empty wards on the smaller servers.

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You can but you don't have to. Most solid reasoning I've ever seen. Excellent arguments, great examples.

What is bad as far as i can talk (because i can't know how they manage the memory of their servers) is how every server is given the same number of plots no matter it's population, and how there are not plots or whole areas reserved for FC housing only.

Other than that the system is good.

Indeed.

[MageBlack]

All of those features were ment to promote just that tho.

This argument was made before, but I decided not to respond then. My reply:
Then I would actually bother to obtain a fully upgraded relic weapon, whereas I currently have not progressed beyond the first step.


I figured as much. However, that is part of ''airships'', and shouldnt be listed as a seperate point.



Not very chancy at all. It's no optimal solution, I agree with that. But the argument is more intended to point out the fallacy in the argument. ''you can only take 1m gil with you when you transfer'' That's a poor argument to use against transfering servers.


I can't answer that. If it follows the same system of ''all servers have the same amount of plots'' then it seems like it will be the same situation as it is now. Not enough plots on the larger servers, empty wards on the smaller servers.


You can but you don't have to. Most solid reasoning I've ever seen. Excellent arguments, great examples.


Indeed.

[Akuryu]

You can but you don't have to. Most solid reasoning I've ever seen. Excellent arguments, great examples.

I'll give you one, the last MMO I played: Rift.

In Rift you don't so much buy a house as you own a dimension. Think of it like owning land. You can build a house, or multiple houses, bridges, docks, boats, roller coasters, The Death Star etc. Whatever you want to build. There are different themes... a desert oasis, a rocky cliffside, lakefront, islands, forests, etc. They come in various sizes, but even the smallest ones are larger than a large FC house in FFXIV. The larger ones are the size of a whole ward in FFXIV.

Surely these are limited... I mean think of the servers!
Nope. All players can own up to 20 dimensions. If for some reason 20 isn't enough for you, you can make an alt for more, then give your main permissions to build/edit the area.

Well then surely they are reserved for the richest 1%...
Nope. Actually the game gives all characters 2 free ones. From there more can be earned from quests, seasonal events, purchased with in-game currency or from the cash shop. There are no taxes or up-keep costs.

Well they must look just awful.
I guess that's subjective. http://www.dimensiongallery.com/

Good enough arguments for you or should I move on to another game?

[MageBlack]

All of those features were ment to promote just that tho.

Promote what? People joining existing FC's? Highly unrealistic to expect every new player to conform to existing FC's and does not address the issue new FC's looking to establish themselves.

This argument was made before, but I decided not to respond then. My reply:
Then I would actually bother to obtain a fully upgraded relic weapon, whereas I currently have not progressed beyond the first step.

So your solution, rather then see if they can reform the system to accomodate other players than yourself who does not care you just want to give up? First come first served for something that has so much content gated behind it is a terrible system. and yes, the relic example is a poor one.

I figured as much. However, that is part of ''airships'', and shouldnt be listed as a seperate point.

I listed crafting and airship content seperate because there will be other crafting projects. For example the Wedding cakes and Vantilione cakes can be crafted as a group project then FC members can cut off a slice for the buff. This was mentioned way back in 1.0 so i'm hoping other such content will be coming.

Not very chancy at all. It's no optimal solution, I agree with that. But the argument is more intended to point out the fallacy in the argument. ''you can only take 1m gil with you when you transfer'' That's a poor argument to use against transferring servers.

Ok. let me elaborate on it. The FC I'm in is about 21 members, all of us were RL friends before meeting in the game. I was on this server from 1.0 and was merged here from another server when they condensed (i know I've gone over all this before in the other thread you commented on but here we go again...) The core 10 of us were on here from 2.0 launch the rest came here to be with us. 3 of us are direct family members (that will cost me 80$ minimum to transfer just the people in my household) let alone asking all of us to transfer at their own expense and I really don't want to break up our group for a house. As a FC we have close to 16mil, personally I have 7mil, let alone what the other members have, that is a LOT of item management and hoping the prices dont get completely undercut. Way to risky to try and transfer ( I also know that retainers can also carry over some gil but it is still nowhere near enough.) And no, a house is not worth all that BS, I'm not upset about housing just disappointed and a little frustrated that the point of availability is continually ignored, excused and dismissed. Yoshi-P addressed the cost many moons age but still has not addressed or even acknowledged the issue of availability. Just a "we are looking into it" would be nice.

I can't answer that. If it follows the same system of ''all servers have the same amount of plots'' then it seems like it will be the same situation as it is now. Not enough plots on the larger servers, empty wards on the smaller servers.

Yes, it has to be a little frustrating for them too to see housing wards empty while others are full to capacity since day one. Hope they can figure things out.

You had been commenting in the other thread and I felt that most of what has been said and brought up before had already "addressed" the things you brought up. I also felt that it was going to be a little pointless to waste all this time replying when the points I made can be dismissed so flippantly. There are so many reasons to to add wards or change the system entirely that making excuses for this system just makes me shake my head. Sure, this system is great for people on a low pop server, with lots of gil, playing solo or with friends willing to FC hop to find "the right one", and who already have a house. I'm not one of those people though and I doubt I'm alone.

EDIT: and as i figured, this whole post was wasted effort.

K

[Gillionaire]

I'm I'm saying that's how it works for me. I don't spend my entire life on here and those are my reasons, my real life is not an excuse, sad you think it is. I can mention my life how I choose without you needing to censor it.

I understand your frustration, but we all have lives..
I notice that you have 3 mage classes to lv 50 and not much in the way of gathering/crafting.. I assume your GSM lv 50 is meant for spiritbonding?
So you already know how to make the money in this game, you would've got your house if you just found that out sooner
Considering that, whoever happened to stumble upon it before you bought the house from underneath you. You don't need to assume that everybody else is a cheater / no-lifer to have gotten further than you.


Anybody who's worse player than me = Complete Noob
Anybody who's better player than me = no lifer

That's a toxic attitude

[Aivi_lo]

Maybe you should have built yourself a house instead!

So true

[Belhi]

It's a pretty common problem and one Square Enix would like to address. The reality of the system is that they need to get more physical servers to house the extra districts and that takes time and money to set up. I think half the reason they went for the Private Quarters in FC houses was as a stop gap for the issue.

A lot of us are waiting for this but it's not something that is likely to be quickly resolved. That's just the reality of it. In the mean time your best bet is to try the Private quarters at your FC's house or just put housing ambitions aside until SE has a fix.

Invoking RMT though is going to start fights. Even suggesting it as an option is going to piss other forum goers off. There are many people who have earned their housing over time through legitimate ingame means. Try to storm into a thread sounding like your looking for a fight and more people will probably at least treat your post with more sympathy and maybe even it will resonate with enough people to get SE's attention.

[Shiki_Lockhart]

Or you can continue to save that gil for when more plots and wards open so you buy asap.

[Socomlord]

That's funny. I'm sure there was some rmt involved in some of the purchases but to insinuate that we all did that is ridiculous. Most ppl saved up the gil with there fc members and went in on one. BTW I work 50+ hours a week am married and have 2 children and have had a house legit for over a year. Quite your whining lots of ppl in the same boat as you.

[Leash]

My friend bought the last Small House on Hyperion almost 5 months ago. There been none available for a long time.

Probably should have checked first..