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[Aivi_lo]

I'm I'm saying that's how it works for me. I don't spend my entire life on here and those are my reasons, my real life is not an excuse, sad you think it is. I can mention my life how I choose without you needing to censor it.

[Edeline]

I'm I'm saying that's how it works for me. I don't spend my entire life on here and those are my reasons, my real life is not an excuse, sad you think it is. I can mention my life how I choose without you needing to censor it.

I'm not calling your life an excuse. Using it to criticise a game aspect, however, is using it as an excuse. Everyone has their own life, some easier than others, but you chose to play the game the way it is knowing it, and the developers didn't make a game to exclusively please YOU, and people still managed their time and their lives with it. We don't complain we have no plots because we didn't have time to get enough money, because even if everyone had the same amount of gil, plots are still limited and not everyone would be able to get one, because there are very limited plots.

[Aeyis]

I'm I'm saying that's how it works for me. I don't spend my entire life on here and those are my reasons, my real life is not an excuse, sad you think it is. I can mention my life how I choose without you needing to censor it.

The way you phrase it, it's totally an excuse. And for some odd reason also trying to blame others for the way they play the game.

With all this content being locked behind housing, they really need to do something about it. It's really going to suck for the new players that heavensward will bring in.

Chocobo color
Gardening
Buffs
group crafting
airship and Sky content
FC Summons
Aetherial Wheel

All locked behind a first-come-first-serve wall for content SE has repeatedly said is "only casual"

All of which is available in a FC house. Which is off-topic?
Not sure what you are referring to as ''group crafting'' tho.

But you can only take 1mil with you, or scout and buy items that will hopefully give you back your hard earned money if you play the market boards. Not an optimal solution.

You can make lots of gil with that actually. Seen a few people do just that. (there's been a guy with 60+ MDs on my mb)

Every time someone offers this as a solution to the problem, a nest full of baby nutkins gets squished by a Behemoth.

Also, I facepalm.

As would I, but then I realise that people buy minions and etc for far more (total) then the price of changing servers...and a house is kind of a bigger form of vanity item then minions?

[Zelas]

As would I, but then I realise that people buy minions and etc for far more (total) then the price of changing servers...and a house is kind of a bigger form of vanity item then minions?

Not because of the price, though. Because the solution itself is not one. It's a massive, and pretty much unacceptable compromise. I'm waiting for more housing to be added so I can get a house with my FC, right now. Should I ask them all, and all of the friends I've made in the last two years, to transfer to a different server so I can get my FC a home?

That's a completely unreasonable idea.

[MageBlack]

All of which is available in a FC house. Which is off-topic?
Not sure what you are referring to as ''group crafting'' tho.

That stymies the creation of New FC's, Join an existing one or play the Russian roulette of housing. Does nothing if SE is expecting an influx of new players with Heavensward. Our FC is a close knit group of RL friends, we don't have a FC house (but we do have the money for a medium) and dont want to be absorbed by another FC just for the sake of housing. Our own choice i realize but this does not excuse the lack of available houses, first-come-first-serve is a terrible way to do any major content like this. Could you imagine what would happen if Relic Weapons were treated like this? Only the first 1500 people to get their relic weapon get one, the rest have to wait for those people to sell, discard, or trade out their relic weapon.

Group Crafting is the new content coming in Heavensward where FC's build an airship in their basement and then can use it to explore new areas with RNG items and content. Yay for being locked out of that!

You can make lots of gil with that actually. Seen a few people do just that. (there's been a guy with 60+ MDs on my mb)

Its a chance too and not an optimal way to solve this problem. It still does nothing for new players or people who werent there the second the servers went live. I tried but had issues logging in for the first hour at which point i saw on the forums that my server had literally sold out of plots. I gave up and went to bed since it was 4am...

PS: I'm sure more wards will be coming with 3.0 but will it be enough? Is the current system good for personal homes? should the personal home be changed to a different system to free up the wards for FC housing? will the additional wards go to the servers where they are needed or be a blanket addition leaving some servers still full up while others have whole wards that are empty, wasting the resources.

[Aeyis]

That stymies the creation of New FC's, Join an existing one or play the Russian roulette of housing.

All of those features were ment to promote just that tho.

Only the first 1500 people to get their relic weapon get one, the rest have to wait for those people to sell, discard, or trade out their relic weapon.

This argument was made before, but I decided not to respond then. My reply:
Then I would actually bother to obtain a fully upgraded relic weapon, whereas I currently have not progressed beyond the first step.

Group Crafting is the new content coming in Heavensward where FC's build an airship in their basement and then can use it to explore new areas with RNG items and content. Yay for being locked out of that!

I figured as much. However, that is part of ''airships'', and shouldnt be listed as a seperate point.

Its a chance too and not an optimal way to solve this problem.

Not very chancy at all. It's no optimal solution, I agree with that. But the argument is more intended to point out the fallacy in the argument. ''you can only take 1m gil with you when you transfer'' That's a poor argument to use against transfering servers.

PS: I'm sure more wards will be coming with 3.0 but will it be enough? Is the current system good for personal homes? should the personal home be changed to a different system to free up the wards for FC housing? will the additional wards go to the servers where they are needed or be a blanket addition leaving some servers still full up while others have whole wards that are empty, wasting the resources.

I can't answer that. If it follows the same system of ''all servers have the same amount of plots'' then it seems like it will be the same situation as it is now. Not enough plots on the larger servers, empty wards on the smaller servers.

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You can but you don't have to. Most solid reasoning I've ever seen. Excellent arguments, great examples.

What is bad as far as i can talk (because i can't know how they manage the memory of their servers) is how every server is given the same number of plots no matter it's population, and how there are not plots or whole areas reserved for FC housing only.

Other than that the system is good.

Indeed.

[MageBlack]

All of those features were ment to promote just that tho.

This argument was made before, but I decided not to respond then. My reply:
Then I would actually bother to obtain a fully upgraded relic weapon, whereas I currently have not progressed beyond the first step.


I figured as much. However, that is part of ''airships'', and shouldnt be listed as a seperate point.



Not very chancy at all. It's no optimal solution, I agree with that. But the argument is more intended to point out the fallacy in the argument. ''you can only take 1m gil with you when you transfer'' That's a poor argument to use against transfering servers.


I can't answer that. If it follows the same system of ''all servers have the same amount of plots'' then it seems like it will be the same situation as it is now. Not enough plots on the larger servers, empty wards on the smaller servers.


You can but you don't have to. Most solid reasoning I've ever seen. Excellent arguments, great examples.


Indeed.

[Aeyis]

So basically, when I had a whole set of different points, one of which even strongely agreeing with you; all you did was make a sarcastic comment+ img.

+1 to you. (for not reading)

[Akuryu]

You can but you don't have to. Most solid reasoning I've ever seen. Excellent arguments, great examples.

I'll give you one, the last MMO I played: Rift.

In Rift you don't so much buy a house as you own a dimension. Think of it like owning land. You can build a house, or multiple houses, bridges, docks, boats, roller coasters, The Death Star etc. Whatever you want to build. There are different themes... a desert oasis, a rocky cliffside, lakefront, islands, forests, etc. They come in various sizes, but even the smallest ones are larger than a large FC house in FFXIV. The larger ones are the size of a whole ward in FFXIV.

Surely these are limited... I mean think of the servers!
Nope. All players can own up to 20 dimensions. If for some reason 20 isn't enough for you, you can make an alt for more, then give your main permissions to build/edit the area.

Well then surely they are reserved for the richest 1%...
Nope. Actually the game gives all characters 2 free ones. From there more can be earned from quests, seasonal events, purchased with in-game currency or from the cash shop. There are no taxes or up-keep costs.

Well they must look just awful.
I guess that's subjective. http://www.dimensiongallery.com/

Good enough arguments for you or should I move on to another game?

[Renik]

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Ok now show us their server structure, if these have an impact on gameplay outside of housing, if they are client-side or server-side and how susceptible they are to hacking.

You may not know, but most MMOs have housing as a pure vanity thing which works client-side and does not affect gameplay at all (so they don't care about hacking), while others have a very limited presets with no place for personalization, in any case these system can't be applied to ffxiv w/o turning housing into a cheesy vanity system with nothing more than boring presets.

Even if housing affects us all, this is a topic that requires a minimum level of knowledge... don't take this as an offense, i'm not an expert but you seem to know very little about how this kind of systems are managed.

Personal housing: Instanced.

Wards don't take server memory, this would do nothing, separate wards for personal hosing would work.