Why bring MNK to anything anymore?

[PenutButter]

I don't know about DRG as I have not really test them myself after their buff. I do know they can do really good damage now but I still doubt they'll beat MNK and NIN in personal DPS. NIN; however, do beat MNK, slightly so on dummy, quite a bit so in many actual fights, and are more consistent in their damage. With enough Requiem and decent procs, BLM beat MNK and even NIN in certain circumstances.

Those who think MNK is still the best ST DPS is either lying, has never meet a good NIN, or are deluding themselves. Trust me, no matter how high you think your ST DPS is, there is a NIN who can do more. It wouldn't be so bad, as MNK still do damn good DPS, if not for the fact that they have to deal with complications that NIN and DRG don't have to. DK was was helpful for T13 when you're still at low gear but it was never necessary. So the TC's point does stand, at high-max gear and for practical purposes, why bring a MNK when you can bring a NIN?

I suppose MNK had their day in the sun with the last Coil patch and things will probably change with later patches. Though BLM was ALWAYS ridiculously strong, most people just didn't know how to play the damn job.

Oh, and something I've noticed. MNK was never a super popular job but since NIN came along, they've pretty much dissipeared. I almost never encounter on in dungeons and rarely see one in CT-WoD runs.

[Deithwen]

This, is the truth about Monk nowadays, I couldn't agree more.

[Truedragon]

Although NIN is powerfull, most monks that do these dps videos or try to compare with NIN have shit gear and have no understanding of how to optimize output. Whereas most NIN that do these omgOPwtfdps videos are usually BiS or close to it. So you cant really compare.

They also do not take into account NIN trick attack which prolly gives MNK a ~10-12 dps boost over the long run. Whereas all NIN parses already have trick attack damage taken into account.

But yea MNKs need a severe boost. Its just a hell lotta work for such a small dps difference.

[Deithwen]

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On the Monk thread there are a few parses with Monks reaching 640 DPS, with a lot of crits. I managed to do it myself, and I am really close to bis (with party buff, food and strength pot). With a lot of crits I was above 660 DPS for a minute, then it went down to 330-340 ish. This was due to a full crit opener (luck !) and on average, it's closer to 630.

Of course we benefit from trick attack, but I don't consider this as relevant, since double nin would mean double trick attack and thus increasing their DPS even more.

And yeah as you said, we have to work a lot more to reach that small DPS difference ^^^Can't wait for 3.0 to see if we get new skills to fill the gap

[Atreides]

Ninja better than monk stuff.

Must be an NA thing because on EU servers there's still plenty of monk rocking the DPS meters, might be because a ping of 130~180 (130 being with WTFast) is not too mudra friendly and gives the monks an edge in the long run, we'll see once we get EU servers and can actually start messurring our DPS with NA players.
Ninjutsus are just that slow for us.

[Deithwen]

Must be an NA thing because on EU servers there's still plenty of monk rocking the DPS meters, might be because a ping of 130~180 (130 being with WTFast) is not too mudra friendly and gives the monks an edge in the long run, we'll see once we get EU servers and can actually start messurring our DPS with NA players.
Ninjutsus are just that slow for us.

Really depends on people, I know EU players with around 100 ping. I live in France and I have 120 ping with WTFast. It allows me to pop mudras really quickly, maybe not as fast as Japanese players but still fast enough. And you know, some NA players are on EU servers.

[Atreides]

Really depends on people, I know EU players with around 100 ping. I live in France and I have 120 ping with WTFast. It allows me to pop mudras really quickly, maybe not as fast as Japanese players but still fast enough. And you know, some NA players are on EU servers.

How quick is quick for you? I pop them pretty quickly now too with 125~130 using WTFast (WHEN I compare them how it was without it 160+) but this is nothing compared to what people do with <50 ping and this is a HUGE deal more for Ninjas than any other class because of mudras.
I'm just saying that Ninjas owning monks left and right is not the case everywhere, but I can only imagine that it porbably would be when we're talking about low pings.

[Deithwen]

It's situational. On world map it takes a longer time, but during raids or Wod I almost have time to fit a Raiton in my GCD (considering I have a below 2s GCD). Strangely it's a bit random, so somtimes I'll have time to fit a Suiton/huton, then all of a sudden I get I minor lag spike preventing me to do so and I might lose 1s.
It's really fluctuating, but i often have luck with that.

To give you something to compare, mines take almost the same amount of time as those in this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdwKtanWVOU
Maybe a 0.2s difference at max.
(I'm not the player ^^)

[Ephier]

Although NIN is powerfull, most monks that do these dps videos or try to compare with NIN have shit gear and have no understanding of how to optimize output. Whereas most NIN that do these omgOPwtfdps videos are usually BiS or close to it. So you cant really compare.

They also do not take into account NIN trick attack which prolly gives MNK a ~10-12 dps boost over the long run. Whereas all NIN parses already have trick attack damage taken into account.

But yea MNKs need a severe boost. Its just a hell lotta work for such a small dps difference.

Most MNK videos I see, they are using mercy stroke.

[Odowla]

Most MNK videos I see, they are using mercy stroke.

I mean 1 mercy in a 4 minute parse is like, you can do it once in t10 in less than 4 minutes.. so...