Why bring MNK to anything anymore?

[Ephier]

Now put a Ninja to the monk, giving him Trick Attack every minute and all the mercy strokes don't matter anymore.

That argument is not applicable. The NIN would have to use Assassinate to even it out.

[Atreides]

That argument is not applicable. The NIN would have to use Assassinate to even it out.

It's applicable when none of both use it, Nin parse with Trick Attack, Monks without it. Have a Ninja with you to apply Trick attack and you're on with a real accurate parse.

[Ephier]

It's applicable when none of both use it, Nin parse with Trick Attack, Monks without it. Have a Ninja with you to apply Trick attack and you're on with a real accurate parse.

No because you are not guaranteed to have a NIN in all of your parties, while the NIN is guaranteed to have trick attack in all of its parties. That's like saying parses aren't accurate because there is no selene there for buffs.

[Atreides]

No because you are not guaranteed to have a NIN in all of your parties, while the NIN is guaranteed to have trick attack in all of its parties. That's like saying parses aren't accurate because there is no selene there for buffs.

The fact remains that Nin work with a debuff that works for all classes and have access to it while parsing, so when a Nin does about the same damage as a Monk he will of course beat them because Monks do not have access to it.
On a parser it's easy to beat a Monk but if said Monk hits on the same dummy it's a whole other story.
If anything Ninjas beat monks in offensive utility.

[alsims2007]

im not even sure why monk and ninja still need to be compared. In the hands of a top player I've seen no significant difference between the 2 with or without trick attack. The main point is ever application of huton lowers ninja dps and any breaks in combat can lower monk +slow start. Top player know how to manage and mitigate or negate dps drops. In a 3 minute parse ninja should out dps monk. Get a paeon or goad and make it 10minutes (random number) and monk should come out on top. I haven't seen a fight where a 3 minute or 10 minute dummy parse means anything other than who has the bigger epeen. All this tread is doing is make players think monk isnt viable (the same thing that happened when everyone said positionals were hard).
The lesson to learn here is play what you like and get good at it. It's still not perfect but they did a good job at balancing the classes (I said not perfect) ;P

[alphamax112]

Just coming to say I don't like this thread's title. This game has nearly perfect job balancing. Why do we need to make other ppl think MNK is worse than NIN/DRG?
Just FYI, there are many raid groups out there crying about how hard T13 is without Dragon Kick while no ppl say "we hit enrage because we don't have TA"

I hope there will be no similar thread like this in 3.0 cos more jobs are coming.

[KurisuChie]

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With a Ninja like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfwucJOTTsA I'm skeptical that there will be no difference.

[Ephier]

With a Ninja like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfwucJOTTsA I'm skeptical that there will be no difference.

Have to pay attention to his opener though. If you notice, he crits almost every major hit in that opener, like 9 or so hits in a row? That makes your overall numbers SKYROCKET especially in a 2 minute parse

[KurisuChie]

Have to pay attention to his opener though. If you notice, he crits almost every major hit in that opener, like 9 or so hits in a row? That makes your overall numbers SKYROCKET especially in a 2 minute parse

True, But I wasn't pointing at his DPS. I was trying to establish his execution of mudras, It makes it hard to believe someone with that kind of latency playing a nin will be out played / dps by a monk with the same circumstance. That's just my 2 cents thou.

[Ephier]

True, But I wasn't pointing at his DPS. I was trying to establish his execution of mudras, It makes it hard to believe someone with that kind of latency playing a nin will be out played / dps by a monk with the same circumstance. That's just my 2 cents thou.

Oh with the way MNK currently is, absolutely not. That NIN will smash them all.