Why bring MNK to anything anymore?

[Truedragon]

Although NIN is powerfull, most monks that do these dps videos or try to compare with NIN have shit gear and have no understanding of how to optimize output. Whereas most NIN that do these omgOPwtfdps videos are usually BiS or close to it. So you cant really compare.

They also do not take into account NIN trick attack which prolly gives MNK a ~10-12 dps boost over the long run. Whereas all NIN parses already have trick attack damage taken into account.

But yea MNKs need a severe boost. Its just a hell lotta work for such a small dps difference.

[Deithwen]

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On the Monk thread there are a few parses with Monks reaching 640 DPS, with a lot of crits. I managed to do it myself, and I am really close to bis (with party buff, food and strength pot). With a lot of crits I was above 660 DPS for a minute, then it went down to 330-340 ish. This was due to a full crit opener (luck !) and on average, it's closer to 630.

Of course we benefit from trick attack, but I don't consider this as relevant, since double nin would mean double trick attack and thus increasing their DPS even more.

And yeah as you said, we have to work a lot more to reach that small DPS difference ^^^Can't wait for 3.0 to see if we get new skills to fill the gap

[Ephier]

Although NIN is powerfull, most monks that do these dps videos or try to compare with NIN have shit gear and have no understanding of how to optimize output. Whereas most NIN that do these omgOPwtfdps videos are usually BiS or close to it. So you cant really compare.

They also do not take into account NIN trick attack which prolly gives MNK a ~10-12 dps boost over the long run. Whereas all NIN parses already have trick attack damage taken into account.

But yea MNKs need a severe boost. Its just a hell lotta work for such a small dps difference.

Most MNK videos I see, they are using mercy stroke.

[Odowla]

Most MNK videos I see, they are using mercy stroke.

I mean 1 mercy in a 4 minute parse is like, you can do it once in t10 in less than 4 minutes.. so...

[Ephier]

I mean 1 mercy in a 4 minute parse is like, you can do it once in t10 in less than 4 minutes.. so...

Spike damage on openers skews parses, especially if it crit. Most NIN videos I have seen exclude assassinate entirely. Also, its more like 2~3 mercy strokes. You are giving an example of one fight where that is applicable. T11, no mercy stroke til add phase, T12 no mercy stroke until add phase (unless you are on bennu's but not sure why you would put melee on bennu if you have 2 ranged, given your setup is like this), T13 no mercy stroke until p2.


In the video below the MNK crits a mercy stroke and you can see the spike DPS he got from it. It occurs between 0:20 and 0:23.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnFWIo1B6E


It's also not really about being able to use it within the first 4 minutes, It's more a matter of using it within the first 30 seconds. Openers play a HUGE part on final DPS in dummy parses.