It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Tiggy]

I'm going to forever remember you all when it inevitably happens and you all cry yourselves out of this game. Don't think for a second this game is some hip niche thing that it won't be a part of because YOU wouldn't support it. Might as well jump ship now, because you're a minority.

That furthers the discussion how exactly? Throwing barbs? Come on man. It's not like it's unilaterally supported in this thread with only me as the detractor. There are plenty of other people here in this very thread disagreeing, and other threads in the past that had the same dissension. You're assuming you're in the majority. You don't know that you are. This thread is a poor sample to even make such a distinction. If you can't even realize that basic statistical reality why should I just trust what you say? Or any of your for that matter? You have yet to give even 1 good example of a traditional MMO that did this and DIDN'T have the side effects that have been repeatedly brought up as concerns. Maybe instead of trying to argue opinions you should actually address our concerns with actual facts and examples. Instead you want to throw barbs like a child and act like everyone who doesn't agree with you has some sort of problem.

[Duuude007]

Might as well jump ship now, because you're a minority.

I would LOVE to see where you came up with this gem.

[MageBlack]

I don't think SE will adopt the CREDD style system of account payment. Simple reason being that takes money from the development of the game. once you remove the need to give SE money for an account, profits decline, production slows, updates come fewer and further between. i think they would only introduce a system like that IF the game was starting to see a decline in population. If you really want a good measuring stick to see how SE will handle this game, look at the 10+yo FFXI. If a system like that were to be introduced, it would be there first.

Regardless, I don't really want it. To me, it sounds like one of those desperate please "Come Play Me! You can play for free if you can earn enough in game money!"

[Jandor]

I don't think SE will adopt the CREDD style system of account payment. Simple reason being that takes money from the development of the game. once you remove the need to give SE money for an account, profits decline, production slows, updates come fewer and further between. i think they would only introduce a system like that IF the game was starting to see a decline in population. If you really want a good measuring stick to see how SE will handle this game, look at the 10+yo FFXI. If a system like that were to be introduced, it would be there first. Regardless, I don't really want it. To me, it sounds like one of those desperate please "Come Play Me! You can play for free if you can earn enough in game money!"

SE gets the same amount of money. A months subscription time always comes from SE and always requires real money to be created, just under the proposed system you can buy more months than you need and then sell them on the market board in-game.

[MageBlack]

SE gets the same amount of money. A months subscription time always comes from SE and always requires real money to be created, just under the proposed system you can buy more months than you need and then sell them on the market board in-game.

Ah, that's true. But unless the cost of those "CREDD/PLEX" items on the market boards can be regulated and limited to a set cost of gil, then either the players selling will end up making huge profits off this or get undercut so badly that the items become worthless as in game money.

[silentwindfr]

SE gets the same amount of money. A months subscription time always comes from SE and always requires real money to be created, just under the proposed system you can buy more months than you need and then sell them on the market board in-game.

this systeme often come from free to play, indeed wildstar have try to do this, but let's face it, the game will soon go in free to play then...
this systeme have only work with one game Eve online. by the way, do you really think they need to do this actually? i doubt it. people simply want to play for free and forget that a mmorpg need cash for be developped, like have said yoshida the advantage of the monthly fee allow them to be able to predict them budget for the developpement, where the free to play or freemium can't know how many cash will enter for the month. then it's harder to devellop content or even maintain a team dedicated to that.

no the free to play, freemium or creed/plex system is a very bad choice and must be used only when the game will die. if you can't afford the price of the sub from FF14, you must'nt play it first. because let's face it, the price of the subs is really low. (one of the lowest ever see for a mmorpg of this quality)

ps: and if you only want an easy way to grabs gils by using your real cash, maybe you must reconsider how you play to a mmorpg....

[Jandor]

this systeme often come from free to play, indeed wildstar have try to do this, but let's face it, the game will soon go in free to play then...
this systeme have only work with one game Eve online. by the way, do you really think they need to do this actually? i doubt it. people simply want to play for free and forget that a mmorpg need cash for be developped, like have said yoshida the advantage of the monthly fee allow them to be able to predict them budget for the developpement, where the free to play or freemium can't know how many cash will enter for the month. then it's harder to devellop content or even maintain a team dedicated to that. no the free to play, freemium or creed/plex system is a very bad choice and must be used only when the game will die. if you can't afford the price of the sub from FF14, you must'nt play it first. because let's face it, the price of the subs is really low. (one of the lowest ever see for a mmorpg of this quality)

ps: and if you only want an easy way to grabs gils by using your real cash, maybe you must reconsider how you play to a mmorpg....

I haven't actually said I'm in favour of this idea in FFXIV. I play Eve online though and I see a lot of people using Eve as an example in this thread so I added my 2 cents.

As far as PLEX in FFXIV goes, I don't really care. I really don't think it would make much difference day to day for most players.

[Jandor]

Ah, that's true. But unless the cost of those "CREDD/PLEX" items on the market boards can be regulated and limited to a set cost of gil, then either the players selling will end up making huge profits off this or get undercut so badly that the items become worthless as in game money.

If everyone undercuts and it becomes worthless then people will stop buying them from SE and as they are consumable the price will slowly increase until buying them from SE to sell in-game is worthwhile again. It should regulate itself to a degree.

Although considering how often people on this forum find something to moan about I'm sure every little fluctuation in price would result in a 100 page mega-thread asking Yoshi-P to step in .

[axemtitanium]

Did you actually read the rest of my post, or did your ego get so bruised by my first sentence that you ran first thing to Wikipedia to the safe nurturing embrace of an encyclopedia than anyone can edit?

[Tiggy]

Did you actually read the rest of my post, or did your ego get so bruised by my first sentence that you ran first thing to Wikipedia to the safe nurturing embrace of an encyclopedia than anyone can edit?

I read every word. Did you have a such a problem with the response that you have to swing back to insults? You don't understand inflation in it's fullest. What I posted shows that. Accept it and move to a better argument. Lashing out at me won't edit that page and change that aspect of inflation.

Wikipedia to the safe nurturing embrace of an encyclopedia than anyone can edit?

That doesn't make what it said in that quote any less accurate. You're just saying that as scapegoat because you don't want to accept it.

Let's go further shall we? How about Forbes?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnthar...ses-inflation/

Inflation is simply a rise in the average price of goods and services in the macroeconomy. Which particular goods and services depends on the measure we are examining. Consumer price inflation is the one usually in the news, and it takes a weighted average of various items purchased by the typical household (the list being determined by survey and then updated periodically). The average can rise while some prices have actually fallen, and how much it reflects your personal situation is a function of how closely the basket of goods and services in the index matches your buying patterns. But, the bottom line is that we say that inflation has occurred when the average price of those goods and services has increased.

So it seems it's not just the wiki that understands inflation isn't just about minting money. It's literally about the price of goods and services increased. Lowering our buying power.

Whew. It's a good thing more places exist in the world as references other than Wiki right. Or are you going to lash out at forbes now?

For everyone else. That article was a pretty good read. I recommend it. He goes on to detail other inflation causes other than minted money.