It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Magis]

Actually it seems the community is very divided on the issue.

Not really? Maybe on the PLEX issue (and if "likes" meant anything, my counter argument has almost double the OPs post, so not in that case either), but definitely not on pay 2 win games. The outcry against it was huge when the cash shop was brought in, and continued on with EB rings. Oh, let's not forget Yoshi himself saying NO PAY TO WIN with a big X with his arms, so if we take his word, lol you'll never see it anyway. Even with EB, the GMs said the free gil people got was a mistake.

Well, you are the one trying to dictate how other people must play their game.

No one is dictating shit, you are the one that is trying to change the game from how it stands now. Everyone else is saying that it's excellent as is.

[Intaki]

No one is dictating shit, you are the one that is trying to change the game from how it stands now. Everyone else is saying that it's excellent as is.

Is he? The game already allows you to buy in-game gil with real money via wedding bands. As a matter of fact, I participated in this very system myself last night by paying 1.2 million gil for a platinum wedding band.

You say you don't want the game to change, and yet it already has. You say there is a massive, overwhelming outcry against the cash shop, and yet with almost every single new patch the cash shop grows even larger.

It sounds to me like your point of view has already lost.

[DoctorPepper]

You didn't answer me. You just said "I believe this is pay to win".

My question is "what if it is, what is so wrong about it?"

Read between the lines bud, I don't think it's right that people can buy the best things in the game with real money. Did you really need me to spell it out for you?

Something doesn't have to effect you personally for you to think that it's wrong, for example there are a number of historical events that happened way before my time which never effected me personally however I still feel they were wrong. If you think that something has to effect you personally in order for it to be wrong then who is really being selfish here?

Honestly this system would not effect me at all, I have lots of money both in real life and in the game. If anything I would get some free sub time. It would however put people with less money in real life or in the game at a disadvantage compared to people who have a lot of it. That's why I care and that's why I think it's wrong.

[AlexionSkylark]

Well, you are the one trying to dictate how other people must play their game.
Now, for the sake of what, I ask?

I don't think it's right that people can buy the best things in the game with real money.

I know that, you made that clear. The matter of it is that "feeling" of yours just serves to mantain the exclusivety status of the few who can invest a multitude of hours per week, so they and only they have access to some of the content of the game.

Now, as much as you feel that paying for gil is not right, I don't feel it is right to deny people content of a game they like and pay for based on how much time they are able to invest on it.

[DoctorPepper]

Well, you are the one trying to dictate how other people must play their game.
Now, for the sake of what, I ask?

Come on now.. you can come up with a more amusing reply than that can't you?

I'm not dictating anything, I'm saying it's fine the way it is and I want it to stay that way. You are the one who asked for people to answer you, I never once told you "this is how it is", in fact I've gone out of my way to make sure I'm telling people it's "my opinion" whether you want to ignore it or not.

[MageBlack]

Why are people fighting so hard to get this put in?

"Will take away from RMT"

How? In what way will this work that isnt already in place? People buy time and sell it in game. Well, people already buy items and sell them in game, Dyes, Bond Rings, etc. The only difference this will make is who is paying SE for the time, me or the guy who sold the time on the MW. There is no good reason or positive benefit for adding this system in that isnt already in place. So why even bother?

[Snugglebutt]

More people would stop playing this game than start playing if became P2W and I have played a lot of F2P MMO's that use P2W things in their cash shops and stuff like PLEX...none bar Eve have been very successful financially after implementing such systems and I think WoW will find might head in same direction alongside its continued decline over the past few years where they implement one bad idea after another. Even Eve continues to be plagued by RMT spams and RMT continues to thrive in that game.

PLEX wont help in either tackling bots or RMT as no game I played which had supported P2W methods managed to stop RMT and had the opposite effect on botting numbers where more people botted in those games not less due to an even bigger discrepancy between the have and have not's only this time fueled by real world money used to gain in game advantages that not everyone could afford.

SE has always been against P2W, they have always tried to avoid putting things in place which is considered P2W which is why for example the cash shop is limited to vanity items that they tried to stop being sold or traded. Just because they lacked foresight on a couple things like the rings for example in which people used it in a way it was not intended to be used doesn't mean SE should give up and change their stance by legalizing more P2W systems and methods.

As such this discussion is kind of moot, it goes against what SE has clearly intended for this game. I cannot imagine SE implementing a PLEX system, not now or in future and I among many others am glad of that. If that stance by them changed I know for a fact I would stop playing and as shown by the uproar over the worry the cash shop would offer pay to win services prior to it's implementation, I know I would not be alone in leaving.

[Magis]

As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

The original quote. Huh look at that, the original intent given and even the CM telling players to use them for that purpose and not the one Intaki made up.

[Mugiawara]

For those who didn't bother reading it all.

From what I gathered and read tldr:
Idea:Convert rl money into gil.
Outcome: People having ALL TEH GILLS!
Outcome II: RMT ho!
More Outcomes: People selling this amount of money for that amount. We'll end up getting hackers.
Final Outcome: FFXIV: A realm screwed in the ass because of one horrible idea.
What the majority of us are saying: This is one bad...bad bad bad idea.

People need to understand anyways, we will ALWAYS have RMT's/Spammers. I've just had 1 for the first time in months.
It won't stop RMT, they'll still be here, they will always be here....we just don't want them to increase any
and this method probably will...or won't...they'll still be here. I've never seen a MMO without them.
I dunno this is just one bad idea so I'm going with everyone else....

[Gramul]

Let's just see how well it works for Blizzard first.