The relic weapon quest is OBSCENELY boring...

[Izsha]

There is a breed of people that like solo oriented, laid back grinds. For the love of cake don't bind relics to 24 man troll fests. CT is so full of trolls and derp I never touch it unless I have too. Why would I want to spam a nightmarish 24 man derp fest when I can unwind after a stressful day and just veg out and grind some easy stuff. There are entire games built on concepts line these relic trials and they have tons of players too. We are out there. Not everything needs to be some epic skill check raid or test in troll survival. There is a place for rudimentary simple mindless grinds. Some people do enjoy fishing. Some do enjoy spamming fates. Some do like repetitive simple combat class grinds. Just because you don't doesn't make it wrong. Look at anyone with multiple relics and you found someone. There's a lot of us around.

If you want a weapon from 24 man raids go get your 110s, or soon 130 when they add it to WoD. If you want a skill check weapon go get your coil on. If you want a lighter skill check go do shiva. If you want laid back grind get you relic. Why turn relic into the same type of progression that already exists. You have 24 man raid spam weapons, high skill check and lower skill check weapons. Leave the only laid back grind for those that want it.

[RichardButte]

CT is so full of trolls and derp I never touch it unless I have too. Why would I want to spam a nightmarish 24 man derp fest when I can unwind after a stressful day and just veg out and grind some easy stuff.

I'm sorry, but you're thinking of hunts, not raids.

I've run so many 24 man raids that I've earned over half of my weekly poetics doing them and I can safely say that you're either the unluckiest person ever when it comes to queuing or you're exaggerating like crazy.

And you want leisurely grinds? Go fishing. There's no reason for the relic weapon quest to be as boring AND devoid of storyline as it is. You don't seem to understand the fact that something can be both time-consuming AND fun, and not "masochist who enjoys boredom fun" but REAL fun.

I'm surprised there are no pet grinds in FFXIV: many of the mobs in WoW have a .01% chance of dropping a pet, the DEFINITION of boring grind, but it's there for people like you.

[XgungraveX]

I'm sorry, but you're thinking of hunts, not raids.

I've run so many 24 man raids that I've earned over half of my weekly poetics doing them and I can safely say that you're either the unluckiest person ever when it comes to queuing or you're exaggerating like crazy.

And you want leisurely grinds? Go fishing. There's no reason for the relic weapon quest to be as boring AND devoid of storyline as it is. You don't seem to understand the fact that something can be both time-consuming AND fun, and not "masochist who enjoys boredom fun" but REAL fun.

I'm surprised there are no pet grinds in FFXIV: many of the mobs in WoW have a .01% chance of dropping a pet, the DEFINITION of boring grind, but it's there for people like you.

sadly there not, i get it all the time,im glad i dont have to run them anymore.

[Izsha]

I'm sorry, but you're thinking of hunts, not raids.

I've run so many 24 man raids that I've earned over half of my weekly poetics doing them and I can safely say that you're either the unluckiest person ever when it comes to queuing or you're exaggerating like crazy.

And you want leisurely grinds? Go fishing. There's no reason for the relic weapon quest to be as boring AND devoid of storyline as it is. You don't seem to understand the fact that something can be both time-consuming AND fun, and not "masochist who enjoys boredom fun" but REAL fun.

I'm surprised there are no pet grinds in FFXIV: many of the mobs in WoW have a .01% chance of dropping a pet, the DEFINITION of boring grind, but it's there for people like you.

Whoosh. My point is, instead of REMOVING the relic quest that people like myself like. ADD a new one that fits your like. Relics are the ONLY combat class content in the entire game that is a laid back, time consuming grind. Don't take away, add. Ffxi had a very good system for their epic class weapons because they had 3 types of similar calibur. 1, relics, was 99% based on your bank account buying bazillion of ancient currency. 1, empyreams, was through fighting through a million popped notorious monsters where you fought lower tier monsters to get pops for harder ones which dropped pops for harder ones to fight a super monster that dropped 1 item and you needed a great many of those items to make the weapon. The 3rd, mythics, was a huge smorgasbord of events in varying difficulty and a vast collection of alexandrite which you could buy or obtain from a challenging 6man event.

We dont need to delete the current style relic. As tiggy mentioned, there's nothing wrong with the current content, there just needs to be additional content. Just because you may not like it, doesn't mean it should be deleted or your just trading your grievance to someone else.

[RichardButte]

My point is, instead of REMOVING the relic quest that people like myself like. ADD a new one that fits your like.

Agreed.

I hope they do a fresh quest in 3.0 that has an interesting, involved storyline and objectives that engage instead of copping out with things like sending you slogging through old content.

[Tiggy]

I answered the rest of your post PAGES ago: WoW already did this and did it BETTER (which makes me sick to even SAY...).

How did that statement answer in any way the questions I asked? It didn't. I asked the following and this is what I am referring to.

Also what do people expect in grindy content? A cut scene every so often telling you you're good at grinding? At some point you need to walk away from the NPCs and just do work. What kind of story would even be "epic" in the context of forging a weapon for you?

They did it by having players do things for the questline that benefit them in OTHER ways already, like earning VP, running LFRs, etc. Never once did they send you to run a level 30 dungeon or hang out in a level 15 zone because they wanted you there to supplement the content for lower level players (which is an ultra-crappy thing to force players to do).

This would have been closer to an answer than just saying WoW did better. Who cares what it did what matters is how.

You know what we need more of in this thread. What actual things would people do to improve the situation. and less arguing your opinion against someone elses opinions.

[RichardButte]

You know what we need more of in this thread. What actual things would people do to improve the situation. and less arguing your opinion against someone elses opinions.

I did that, too, when I pointed out that not rehashing old content would make it better, but if they're going to do that, allow us to progress a book on ANY class. If you have a book in your inventory, you should get credit no matter what.