The relic weapon quest is OBSCENELY boring...

[FranSeara]

While the Relic Quest may be not fun, its a must for players like myself ( solo, anti-raid and late night players) to complete. I fear without this quest there wouldnt be any reason for me to keep playing this game. Now, I do wish the Devs would have given US a REAL quest, one that would keep the mealy mouthed of the hard core/so-called raiders shut. the relic weapon(s) should be the best weapon(s) in the game but with this sorry excess of quest it's NOT and it shouldnt be. Devs,please give relic users a Real quest in the future. One that is hard enough that only a few will complete it. (Just like the COILS). ps: Pleae dont nerf the relic quest in its later parts please, its a ripoff.

[Deathscythe343]

Devs,please give relic users a Real quest in the future. One that is hard enough that only a few will complete it. (Just like the COILS). ps: Pleae dont nerf the relic quest in its later parts please, its a ripoff.

This is something that will never happen. Given that the majority of the player base are "casuals" whom want to feel like their time spent playing this game has some type of measurable meaning, this is something that will never happen. If anything, they will make the 2.0 process much much easier, and make the 3.0 relic easier so that people aren't having such troubles with it.

[Tiggy]

Devs,please give relic users a Real quest in the future. One that is hard enough that only a few will complete it. (Just like the COILS).

You clearly missed the entire point of the weapon and quest line even though you seem to understand the target audience.

[Zfz]

ps: Pleae dont nerf the relic quest in its later parts please, its a ripoff.

The relic quest has already been nerfed in the form of higher Atma drop rates. Phasing out old tokens also indirectly nerfed the difficulty of the quest line. Remember the 900 Myth that took 3 weeks? Now it's 450 Soldiery which can be done leisurely in a weekend (in one night if you're up to it).

I'm not sure how the devs initially positioned the relic with the +1 quest line, but as it stands now it is obviously something that takes time and only time. In a sense it's the "everybody's weapon". Remember this weapon is called a relic weapon, not an epic weapon, so it doesn't necessarily follow that it should be difficult to obtain.

It would be great if the game offers some types of "end-game weapon" for every playstyle, a coils weapon for raiders, a relic weapon for leisure players, an epic weapon for hardcore non-raiders, etc. But there's a limit to how much creative resources can be invested in the weapon, and that's most likely why there are only two end-game progressions: raiders and non-raiders.

Too many non-raiders wanted to have nothing to do with the highest tier of raiding content (e.g. Titan HM back then). I guess that's why the current relic is all about time and patience.

The category of "difficult to get weapons" is already catered for by raids.

[FranSeara]

The category of "difficult to get weapons" is already catered for by raids.[/QUOTE]

Your last statment is the problem with this WHOLE entire game.

[Tiggy]

Your last statment is the problem with this WHOLE entire game.

And its a completely different argument than this thread is trying to make. This is the casual weapon where you just need time. The 135 from T13 is the difficult to obtain through fighting. You clearly want something more in the middle. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with the other two approaches it just means more options are required that fit different styles. Variety is the problem. Not that a good piece of gear drops from raiding. Focus your message cause it seems scattered every other post.

[FranSeara]

Your last statment is the problem with this WHOLE entire game.

And its a completely different argument than this thread is trying to make. This is the casual weapon where you just need time. The 135 from T13 is the difficult to obtain through fighting. You clearly want something more in the middle. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with the other two approaches it just means more options are required that fit different styles. Variety is the problem. Not that a good piece of gear drops from raiding. Focus your message cause it seems scattered every other post.[/QUOTE]

I don't think my Posts are scattered. You just NEVER agree with anything I say. Which is ONE more big problem with this game. The player base always seems tore in two. "The main point is the quest is boring and broken and needs to be redesigned." End of Statement

[Tiggy]

The player base always seems tore in two. "The main point is the quest is boring and broken and needs to be redesigned." End of Statement

That may have something to do with the fact there is only the casual and raid options in the game. Like I explicitly said in my previous post. With more options in the middle it wouldn't be as segregated thus largely fixing your perceived issues. The problem isn't the players being stratified. The problem is the game forces you to make a decision about what type of content you want to engage in and then you're in either one group or the other. You don't see the forest for the trees anymore when you sit around blaming the players for simply responding the content the game actually has. More options, like I said previously with a middle game option, would fix this. Stop trying to blame players for something the game clearly pushes them to do and we might start agreeing more often. You're so concerned with being right that you don't even see the truth in what people are telling you. I literally just pointed out that there are two different styles and then you go to blame the players for being split that way. Do you not see what's right in front of you?

Simply a raid option existing isn't a problem and neither is a farming casual option existing a problem. The problem is there is nothing in between so your forced to an extreme by default.

[RichardButte]

And its a completely different argument than this thread is trying to make. This is the casual weapon where you just need time.

Know what else was fairly casual? The Hildebrand storyline, and yet it managed to not be skull-crushingly boring.

Imagine the Hildebrand storyline, minus the interesting characters, the funny jokes and whatnot. What's left? A barely-explained quest where you run around and do random shit for no particular reason.

That's the relic weapon questline in a nutshell, and the fact that it's so bland and boring makes it stick out like a sore thumb against all of the other story objectives in the game. Even the crafting and gathering professions have storylines associated with them, FFS! But the relic weapon quest devolves to someone telling you to go check off a big laundry list of random crap because...reasons.

[Tiggy]

Know what else was fairly casual? The Hildebrand storyline, and yet it managed to not be skull-crushingly boring.

Because you're ignoring the obvious to try and make some sort of misguided point. The hildebrand story line was intended to be consumed quickly and the weapon was in no way intended to be consumed quickly. These two pieces of content are not similar enough in intent to make this comparison. "Casual" is not enough.

People need to step back and remember that this quest line was added solely to give casual players something to do and as an alternative means to get a powerful weapon. It serves those points perfectly. You're expecting it to be something it was never meant to be, and then acting disappointed. Your expectations are out of whack what with what the quest was intended to do.