I think its time BRD get some loving

[Kuwagami]

Your basing your principle of balance on what a few are capable of in your comment and not what the majority are doing. A game should be balanced for the majority and not the few or the outliers. So to me you care less about balance than I do because your coming at it in a flawed way.

be honest please. Everyone should be able to equal the top players (or at least do 80% of their work) if they tried it hard enough. But they don't. Because modern MMO players do not give a fuck about working toward something. They are happy enough if things die before them, even if that means they were carried hard by people who worked to be better.

Every single patch with new gear or debuffs for old content invalidates that as a viable excuse because content is constantly and rapidly becoming easier with patches and new content. To say you need to keep the debuff so mobs won't die too fast is like telling SE to stop creating new levels of gear or new content that contains boss tweaks or echo. The fights are no harder to balance without the debuff than they are with it and all that content is made easier regardless of having the debuff or not due to the ever increasing gear and boss nerfs.

way to miss a point. Every patch with new gear or nerfs to the content comes with new bleeding edge content, thus making your point invalid. Obsolete content has no reason to remain difficult, hence why balance isn't required anymore in it. On the other hand, top content that is actually relevant is always well balanced.


I'm starting to think that you either don't know anything about what you're trying to argue, or you just ran out of arguments and continued just to try to have the last word

[Snugglebutt]

be honest please. Everyone should be able to equal the top players (or at least do 80% of their work) if they tried it hard enough. But they don't. Because modern MMO players do not give a fuck about working toward something. They are happy enough if things die before them, even if that means they were carried hard by people who worked to be better.

The primary target audience of this game is not the elitists and minority top end players, it is the medium level of commitment and casual crowds that the game caters to more so than the hardcore, just because there is a small amount of hardcore content does not mean all content in the game is or should be designed for or balanced for that crowd. The game should not be balanced for the top 1% of players, it should be balanced for the remaining 99% so saying just because know a few bards whom do amazing DPS does not mean the game should be balanced for those, in my opinion it should be balanced for the majority who do not fall into that top 1% category.

[Kuwagami]

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Congratulation, you just convinced me that you don't know how balancing a MMO game works.

If you want to have balance, you HAVE to balance it for the best players. If not, they'll just rip your game apart and everyone will follow their path; removing any sense of difficulty in the game, forcing then the devs to adapt to the top players, and it's done, the game is yet again balanced for top end gamers just as if you had done if from the start.

In the average 99%, there will be many categories, but mainly 3 :

=> those who will try to progress. They'll be able to pull out high numbers, maybe not the best possible but high enough to do anything in the game

=> those who don't care. They won't meet content that need them to do better anyway, they just follow their path. But what you're trying to argue doesn't interest them either.

=> those who don't want to work to be better (ain't anybody got time for that ?). They'll get carried through everything because they cant pull their own weight, and they're most likely to cry about anything with the word "reduce" in it it applying to themselves, because they can't grasp the bigger picture. Those people should stay out of MMOs in my opinion as they don't really fit the genre but whatever, who am I to tell them what to do ? I'll just live with it. And avoid them as much as possible.

TL;DR : game balance revolves around what the best ones can do. If not the game isn't balanced at all and it's crap. Those who aren't top end players can either improve to join the top, don't care and go their way or whine endlessly for buffs that aren't needed. Which category you belong is up to you.

Your main argument here is that 95% of Bards that play suck at their job, so they need to be buffed because the players are bad?

isn't that the most used argument for many things ? "Players are bad so they must be buffed to be able to do as much damage as the top players", forgetting that top players would also benefit from these buffs, making them godlike