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    Player Jeckyl_Tesla's Avatar
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    Marauder Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven View Post
    So wait, I'm using B4B right after HT. Then Impulse+IR, Disembowel+Pot, Chaos+PS, Phlebo+Jump, True+Leg, Vorpal+LS, Full+DFD. This is assuming I've already used Spineshatter at the pull because I'm too lazy to walk. Aside from swapping IR and B4B, which I should have learned to do ages ago, is there anything I should swap?

    (back in topic, Lucrezia have the benefit of having servers right next to them, reducing immensely their latency and so on - so assuming what I said is not a fairy tale, I think that's part of why your assumptions are lower than their output.)
    My opener is:

    (LegS)HT > (IR) ID > (BfB) DisemB > (PS) CT > (Jump) Phleb > (DFD) TT > (SSD) VT > (LifeS) FT > (LegS) HT.

    This is because I'm always behind the tank and hit as soon as he pulls. I throw in Legsweep first because it's so quick and off GCD that I can use a HT straight after, making it not even slow down my rotation. Also, it's up straight up again at the end just before HT drops off.
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    Hulvein Wyrmblood
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla View Post
    My opener is:

    (LegS)HT > (IR) ID > (BfB) DisemB > (PS) CT > (Jump) Phleb > (DFD) TT > (SSD) VT > (LifeS) FT > (LegS) HT.

    This is because I'm always behind the tank and hit as soon as he pulls. I throw in Legsweep first because it's so quick and off GCD that I can use a HT straight after, making it not even slow down my rotation. Also, it's up straight up again at the end just before HT drops off.
    Think I've seen a few people do this. You do this, don't you Yanz?

    But if you know exactly where the tank is going to pull, wouldn't it be better to go with the HT?
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    Player Jeckyl_Tesla's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz View Post
    Think I've seen a few people do this. You do this, don't you Yanz?

    But if you know exactly where the tank is going to pull, wouldn't it be better to go with the HT?
    After parsing it over and over and trying different openings, this has yielded the highest DPS. LegS is offGCD so at the maximum, I sacrifice around 0.1 millisecond off my rotation since it's such a fast animation and HT hits instantly after you use it too. And the payoff is I get an extra offgcd within my opener.

    I don't know the maths behind it, but it works perfectly for me.

    Also question: I'm thinking of getting my DRG Zodiac. Currently I have HA and T10 is almost down. Given some time, I should be able to get IWS. Not sure if I'll get DW before Zodiac though. My main question is: How much better is the Zodiac compared to the IWS and Dreadwyrm? Is it worth getting?
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    Last edited by Jeckyl_Tesla; 02-02-2015 at 08:12 AM.

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    Player BristolRuss's Avatar
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    J'azih Dahj
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla View Post

    Also question: I'm thinking of getting my DRG Zodiac. Currently I have HA and T10 is almost down. Given some time, I should be able to get IWS. Not sure if I'll get DW before Zodiac though. My main question is: How much better is the Zodiac compared to the IWS and Dreadwyrm? Is it worth getting?
    At the moment the Zodiac is better than the i120 Iron Works weapon, but the i130 version and the Dreadwyrm one surpasses it. However, the Zodiac is getting another upgrade some time this month. It will be upgraded to at least i130 (making it the second best weapon in game), but if it gets upgraded to i135 then it will be best in slot.
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    Dorne Greywoode
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    Siren
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by BristolRuss View Post
    but the i130 version and the Dreadwyrm one surpasses it.
    Its kind of funny, If you meld full Crit Det into it, the Longinus actually weighs higher than the Augmented ironworks spear.

    ironworks has 1 extra point of weapon damage and 3 extra points of strength while the longinus would have +10 Det and +49 crit

    Ironworks: 545.941

    Full Crit/Det Longinus: 547.699
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    Yan Dere
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    Quote Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz View Post
    Think I've seen a few people do this. You do this, don't you Yanz?

    But if you know exactly where the tank is going to pull, wouldn't it be better to go with the HT?
    I do HT (IR BFB) ID (xpot) disembowel (power surge leg sweep) ct (jump) phleb (dfd) TT (SSD) VT (life surge) FT

    I do ht first since I don't like delaying my first ht with a leg sweep but I didn't do math on which is better
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    Sunny Hirose
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickyguo View Post
    I do ht first since I don't like delaying my first ht with a leg sweep but I didn't do math on which is better
    Leg Sweep: 130 potency
    Leg Sweep with HT + D + BfB + IR buffs: 130 * 1.15 * 1.1 * 1.3 * it's gear-dependent and RNG but let's call it 1.05* = 224.47425 potency #nopotion

    20s cooldown = 6.5 pps unbuffed

    To break even with 94.47425 extra potency from waiting for buffs at 6.5 pps, you'd need a 14.5345 second head start.

    * Because that's very roughly what it is at ~500 crit
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    Last edited by SunnyHirose; 02-02-2015 at 04:35 PM.

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    Cesar Longsword
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla View Post
    My opener is:

    (LegS)HT > (IR) ID > (BfB) DisemB > (PS) CT > (Jump) Phleb > (DFD) TT > (SSD) VT > (LifeS) FT > (LegS) HT.

    This is because I'm always behind the tank and hit as soon as he pulls. I throw in Legsweep first because it's so quick and off GCD that I can use a HT straight after, making it not even slow down my rotation. Also, it's up straight up again at the end just before HT drops off.
    I have gotten used to

    (PS)HT>(Sweep)>ID>(IR+BFB)>Diss(Pot)>CT(jump)>phleb(DFD)>TT(SSD)>VT(LS)>FT>HT>TT(Sweep)

    This has been the only way ive been able to fit all OGCD before FT with a pot, only trick is it can get tricky with lag/ tank doing an awkward pull and which can cause PS to fall off before you jump
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    Last edited by CesarLongsword; 02-03-2015 at 08:32 AM.

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