The Ninja Superthread

[Butcherboy]

I think the reason why he told u not to debuff anymore is prolly due to TP usage. That's what I think.

[Viridiana]

I think the reason why he told u not to debuff anymore is prolly due to TP usage. That's what I think.

Maintaining the debuff would be less TP usage than using Aeolian.

[Leonus]

DE = 50 tp right?
AE = 60 now
SF = 70 now

If it is then DE + SF + AE = 180 tp total.
SF + AE + AE = 190 tp total.

This can snowball over the course of a fight. Especially if you have a brd that doesn't wanna play paeon.

[Butcherboy]

Maintaining the debuff would be less TP usage than using Aeolian.

I mean that for tank to stop applying debuff. Ninja doing the debuff is less TP used

[Viridiana]

I mean that for tank to stop applying debuff. Ninja doing the debuff is less TP used

Yeah, somehow I got really confused reading your comment and didn't realize that we were saying the same thing, sorry. @_@

Edit: Just noticed something on Ariyala's. . .can anyone with a new Zodiak weapon confirm if the minor stat caps are actually the same as the Dreadwyrm weapon despite a 10 ilvl difference?

[Best-MNK-NA]

Yeah, somehow I got really confused reading your comment and didn't realize that we were saying the same thing, sorry. @_@

Edit: Just noticed something on Ariyala's. . .can anyone with a new Zodiak weapon confirm if the minor stat caps are actually the same as the Dreadwyrm weapon despite a 10 ilvl difference?

Ariyala's is just really messed up for relic. Perfect Sasuke's is 49 crit 35 det. Got mine today!

[Viridiana]

Ariyala's is just really messed up for relic. Perfect Sasuke's is 49 crit 35 det. Got mine today!

Okay, that makes way more sense. It's not enough to sway anything either way, because WD is king, but I was looking at it like wtf?

[Ephier]

Ariyala's is just really messed up for relic. Perfect Sasuke's is 49 crit 35 det. Got mine today!

If you want to be technical DET/CRIT relic is actually not the best relic for NIN, DET/ACC is.

Posted below is stats calculations with food.

DET/ACC relic 477crit(107.802)/406det(131.95)/385ss(82.775) = 322.527 Dex

DET/CRIT relic 483crit(109.158)/392det(127.4)/398ss(85.57) = 322.128 Dex

WD: 9.132
DEX: 1
DET: 0.325
CRT: 0.226
SS: 0.215

So not only is DET/ACC *SLIGHTLY* better, it is WAY cheaper.

But that is with current gear, depending on what Odin drops, along with other items from 2.5 this is subject to change.

[Viridiana]

DET/ACC relic 477crit(107.802)/406det(131.95)/385ss(82.775) = 322.527 Dex

DET/CRIT relic 483crit(109.158)/392det(127.4)/398ss(85.57) = 322.128 Dex

Acc/Det: 572crit(129.272)/374det(121.55)/482ss(103.63) = 354.452 Dex

Crit/Det: 567crit(128.142)/393det(127.725)/464ss(99.76) = 355.627 Dex

Those being much closer to actual "relic BIS". Crit/Det still wins.