The Ninja Superthread

[treuhavik]

Well, the theory behind this is that you want to leave the boss with your highest potency attack to soften the blow to your DPS while you're away. For most jobs, including NIN, these are DoTs. Aside from Sneak Attack, which I both doubt you'd be willing to use or have ready, that is Shadow Fang @ 440 potency. If you have time for 3 GCDs before break, SF + Mutilate = 950 potency alone. If you can manage DE or any buffs before those, do-it to-it, but for sudden breaks it'd be Fang > Mutilate.

And this is when you're leaving your main target, as in bosses, to deal with adds/mechanics.

For adds themselves, it's a case-by-case basis. This is where you'd need experience with the particular enemy to know it's life expectancy. From there you can judge whether it would be worth using DoTs (will the mob receive enough tics to counter use of another skill?), but it's almost always worth using your debuff before anything else on whatever it is you're fighting, even most trash mobs.

I'll add some of this to the OP soon.

[Leonus]

Dots dont tick during invulnerability though, so if you know the boss is going into invulnerability status, you're better off getting in buffed AEs. Again this depends on how soon the boss is going to go into invulnerability.

[PROBOUND]

Hey can you guys take a look at this BiS i made in comparison to the one in OP? Just spitballin but would +20 det be worth it here in terms of stat weights? ACC is probably the main issue im assuming?

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OWPR

Compared to set in OP:
ACC: -6
CRIT: -4
DET: +20
SPEED: -18

[treuhavik]

Hey can you guys take a look at this BiS i made in comparison to the one in OP? Just spitballin but would +20 det be worth it here in terms of stat weights? ACC is probably the main issue im assuming?

+1.726 points worth of DEX. If you can still hit 100% with this then why not, but I'm guessing the accuracy caps pretty accurate by now.

[Valkyrie_Faleva]

wondering what people's thoughts are in this situation to clip or not to clip:

Fresh DE just applied, SF and M both have 9 seconds left.

a. AE combo, then put up SF then M?
b. clip SF then M?

I ran into this situation a couple of times, just wondering what people would do if you were in that situation, clipping too early will result in dps loss...

[Leonus]

wondering what people's thoughts are in this situation to clip or not to clip:

Fresh DE just applied, SF and M both have 9 seconds left.

a. AE combo, then put up SF then M?
b. clip SF then M?

I ran into this situation a couple of times, just wondering what people would do if you were in that situation, clipping too early will result in dps loss...

use AE, the rotation sometimes lines itself back up again after time. Don't clip your dots that early.

[hellmach]

Hello, new Ninja here. Why do you use those openers and apply your DoTs in the later stages of the opener as opposed to the beginning stages (M>SE>SF>Other combos)?
This sounds noob of me but this is my first time interested in gearing for end game content for an MMO so bear with me please: What do the stat weights mean?
When should I apply the B4B, Internal Release buffs? In the beginning of the rotation or just before I apply my DoTs?

[Zamii]

it was missed when putting the opener in the main post but their should be a gust slash between b4b and IR in the first opener.
Thanks for the credit for the opener, much appreciated.

Hello, new Ninja here. Why do you use those openers and apply your DoTs in the later stages of the opener as opposed to the beginning stages (M>SE>SF>Other combos)?
This sounds noob of me but this is my first time interested in gearing for end game content for an MMO so bear with me please: What do the stat weights mean

applying the dots at later stages of the openers allows for more buffs and debuff to be in effect, therefore making the dots stronger overall.
as for the stat weights, they are a way of measuring the stats against one another for a particular class, for example a class with a stat weight of 0.3 on det and 0.15 on crit gets twice the effective dps increase from det compared to crit per 1 point.

[hellmach]

More experienced probably noticed this or don't need this tip but newer/slower to learn ninjas like myself who are having trouble remembering Mudra Combinations can benefit from this memory aid:

The spell you use will be determined by the last mudra you will cast in the chain. Doubling up on Mudras gives you the adorable Bunny of Doom so you will only use each Mudra once in a combination.

For two Mudra combos ending in Ten will release Katon, ending in Chi will release Raiton and ending in Jin will release Hyuton.

For Three Mudra combinations if you end in Ten you get Huton, Chi you get Doton, Jin you get Suiton.

Ten stands for heavens and heaven is associated with air/wind as is Huton.
Chi stands for Earth and Doton is an earth elemental attack.
Jin stands for man, Suiton is a water element attack and men (as well as women) are mostly made up of water.

Fuma Shuriken is obviously hard as hell to remember so I left it for last, but I like to use Ten ..

[hellmach]

it was missed when putting the opener in the main post but their should be a gust slash between b4b and IR in the first opener.
Thanks for the credit for the opener, much appreciated.



applying the dots at later stages of the openers allows for more buffs and debuff to be in effect, therefore making the dots stronger overall.
as for the stat weights, they are a way of measuring the stats against one another for a particular class, for example a class with a stat weight of 0.3 on det and 0.15 on crit gets twice the effective dps increase from det compared to crit per 1 point.

What would be an optimal amount of Dexterity before you want to lead up on the other stats?