Nin TP Increase: Too Much?

[Aetherdancer]

And I stopped reading right there. As someone who's mained both bard and monk I can say that bards absolutely use more tp than monk, especially if he's taking advantage of straighter shot procs and applying dots as soon as they drop. I'll keep doing what I'm doing, it seems to be working up through t13, and pushing 4 bennus in t12!

Literally never, ever seen a bard use more TP than a monk. All you're saying is that YOUR bard uses more TP than YOUR monk. That could be for any number of reasons, maybe you suck at monk. I'll tell you however, that MY monk uses more TP than MY bard. (Maybe I suck at bard. *hint hint I don't*) You show me a bard that uses more TP than anyone else in his party, and I'll show you a bard who gets my first goad. I'm not stupid.

And you can shove it with your talk of pushing 4 bennus like you think that makes you better. My group pushes 4 bennus as well, without limit break. That was last week. Highest DPS order NIN > MNK > SMN > BRD.

Yep... no matter how good your monk is the goad rotation should be. Bard > (Other Melee) > Bard (or someone who died). Grats you now learned how to goad properly!

Reasoning: The time bard has to sing paeon is time he could be singing foe for the mage/ninja. That or they could be recovering MP for a ballad that will be needed in a future. This means... the benefit of giving it to a monk first does not out weigh the loss of -20% brd damage + foe requiem.

TLDR: 3 benefit vs 1 by using my goad rotation.

Delaying Paeon allows the bard to freely sing either of his other songs. Why do you think I goad the monk? He's the first person to need Paeon. If my bard needed TP first, I'd goad him instead. That doesn't happen. That never happens. At this point, what we're arguing about is who uses TP faster. It seems that both of your parties have a bard that uses TP faster that anyone else, but that's not the case with mine.

If I am low on TP and my bard is using Foe, I'm not giving him goad anymore. In that case, I could save it just in case there's a death. Just because the bard has 500 TP doesn't excuse him from playing Paeon, MAYBE unless you have two mages in your party and they both have raging strikes available. I could understand starving your melee DPS in that situation, but you're suggesting that the Ninja is meant to just starve altogether. At some point, the PLD and the WAR are gonna want Paeon too. Just because playing Paeon isn't an instant 10% increase in the DPS on your melees doesn't mean it's not worth playing. It's about intelligently managing resources. If giving 30 TP a second to each physical damager in your party wasn't worth losing 20% of your damage, then Paeon would never get played. Bard is the lowest DPS job in the game, even with a DRG to throw out Disembowel. 20% cut off of their DPS is much less than the DPS lost by a starving melee.