Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[CesarLongsword]

What I feel would be most appropriate:

Jump
- C/D reduced to 30s
- Potency increase to 250

Power Surge
- C/D reduced to 30s

Dragonfire Dive
- C/D reduced to 60s.
- Potency increase to 300

Plebotomise
- Potency increase to 200
- DoT potency increased to 30

Chaos Thrust
- DoT Potency increased to 40

Enhanced Blood for Blood (Trait)
- C/D also reduced to 60s
- Decreases damage received from 25% to 15%

I'm still on the edge of having Heavy Thrust boosted by a further 5% however. I'd also like Spineshatter Drives stun to change into a debuff. Maybe 10% increased damage for 10s instead? It'll keep the same cooldown and the low-damage to balance it out.

those are quite a few changes, but drg needs them badly to keep up with mnk/nin at this point. honestly i dont think SE will put enough effort in to do all this, just look at blms

on a side note, am i the only drg that DOESNT want all these cd reductions on jumps? animation lock is still a thing. i guess spineshatter/DFD lock isnt to much of a problem, but jump has gotten me killed more times than i would like. i wouldnt mind a SSD or DFD reduction but i have seen many call for a jump reduction

like for example in t10, my group tanks the boss on top of the ground lightning aoe. so if i use any jump i am dragged into that aoe for half a second and depending on how universal dot ticks happen i can end up dead when that tick dmg is coupled with another mechanic. i try to save jumps for when i have second wind or bloodbath ready so i dont die, but if the way to increase dps is by using jumps more often, it will just end with more "Loldrg".

[LunaHoshino]

on a side note, am i the only drg that DOESNT want all these cd reductions on jumps? animation lock is still a thing. i guess spineshatter/DFD lock isnt to much of a problem, but jump has gotten me killed more times than i would like. i wouldnt mind a SSD or DFD reduction but i have seen many call for a jump reduction

No, I'm with you: I only use my jumps when I am absolutely sure that the enemy is not about to use an AoE. I won't even touch jumps on fights like Titan EX or Levi EX.

[Itseotle]

like for example in t10, my group tanks the boss on top of the ground lightning aoe. so if i use any jump i am dragged into that aoe for half a second and depending on how universal dot ticks happen i can end up dead when that tick dmg is coupled with another mechanic. i try to save jumps for when i have second wind or bloodbath ready so i dont die, but if the way to increase dps is by using jumps more often, it will just end with more "Loldrg".

I do not mean to offend, but it just sounds like you need to learn your timings a bit better, ie. Don't jump when its not safe, and hold some restraint. I know exactly what your talking about with the lightning in T10. What I do is just don't chance it until after Heat Lightning and Prey

[CesarLongsword]

I do not mean to offend, but it just sounds like you need to learn your timings a bit better, ie. Don't jump when its not safe, and hold some restraint. I know exactly what your talking about with the lightning in T10. What I do is just don't chance it until after Heat Lightning and Prey

oh, i do the same typically. its just the fact you are having offGCDs just sit there off cd = wasted dps. if they reduced the cd of these jumps it would only = more wasted dps
i typically am busy racing dps with a ninja friend. sometimes i get greedy and die cuz of it lol

"Before we added ninja, monk was clearly the better DPS but had a way higher skill ceiling so this difference was ok."

quotes like this from yoshida worry me

honestly all dps played perfectly should either be similar in dps to each other or bring some kind of utility to balance out the lack of dps

this monk has a higher "skill ceiling" then they can be the better dps I really do not like

a skilled player can reach the skill ceiling of all three melee classes so at that point, you have to play monk because it's the better class according to yoshida

this is what really disappointed me, this just isnt how dps classes should play out. otherwise end game there would be no reason to play classes with "lower skill ceilings". its just stupid logic and the fact yoshi said that i knew these buffs are gonna be a joke, his mindset is just wrong.

[Itseotle]

oh, i do the same typically. its just the fact you are having offGCDs just sit there off cd = wasted dps. if they reduced the cd of these jumps it would only = more wasted dps
i typically am busy racing dps with a ninja friend. sometimes i get greedy and die cuz of it lol

This isn't a problem with the skill itself. Its a situational skill, and all jobs have situational skills. A White Mage shouldn't use Benediction on a target at 90% life for example. Sure a DRG may get punished more for using his situational skills improperly, but they also have more opportunity to use them. You should not be afraid of jumpping, you should just know when to jump.

I honestly cannot remember the last time I died from a ill timed Jump. Titan was a good mentor.

[CesarLongsword]

This isn't a problem with the skill itself. Its a situational skill, and all jobs have situational skills. A White Mage shouldn't use Benediction on a target at 90% life for example. Sure a DRG may get punished more for using his situational skills improperly, but they also have more opportunity to use them. You should not be afraid of jumpping, you should just know when to jump.

I honestly cannot remember the last time I died from a ill timed Jump. Titan was a good mentor.

yea, but drg being so low in dps, you have to be burning these to keep your dps in competition. your gonna be jumping 3 times per minute between these skills on average, i wouldnt call that situational or compare it to benediction which is a much less frequently used skill, its just not even close to jumps imo

especially if you are lining up your jumps with BFB or IR, waiting on them has the potential to lose that 30%/ extra crit chance

[Itseotle]

yea, but drg being so low in dps, you have to be burning these to keep your dps in competition.
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especially if you are lining up your jumps with BFB or IR, waiting on them has the potential to lose that 30%/ extra crit chance

... which over the course of a 9 minute fight is not a significant dps loss, its 60 potency per missed B4B+Jump, but dieing because you rushed it is. What I think your missing on also that if you do have to wait to jump, then Power Surge is off cooldown very soon anyways. That extra few seconds you waited will pay off with a 50% damage boost. I really think Jump is fine, but that is my own opinion.

Btw, neither IR nor B4B give 30% extra crit chance. Its 10% at best.

[IXZERO]

Personally i don't like the remove of positionals it will make it feel DRG is another MNK only with jumps now and then. In my opinion if you main DRG you know exactly how to land your HT and ID it makes for example Kraken fun to do because you have to ID the tentical and switch over to the Kraken witch makes the Job feel more active. The only isue i had whas MDef in FCOB but then again if you raid and have a BLM you can ask to get that sweet Apocastasis and you will be just fine granted im still on T12 so i don't know how much damage DRG get in T13. The Jumps feel imo fine at the moment.