Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Skeith-Adeline]

Just hit 50 not too long ago today. Is the information in the first page of this thread still relevant or are there things that have been changed but not implemented? 360 in ilvl 72 atm.

[Dervy]

Everything there is relevant still, excluding a few pieces here and there.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...jwbhxkL2IClCQ/ <- Updated 2.X guide.

[Zankes]

Is this still the best opener if I cannot do double full thrust with B4B on? To be able to pull it off with my latency I needed 450 skillspeed at least no matter how hard I spammed buttons....


HT -(Internal Release)-> ID -(Leg Sweep)-> Dis -(Power Surge + Blood for Blood)-> CT -(Jump)-> Phleb -(Dragonfire Dive)-> TT -(Spineshatter Dive)-> VT -(Life Surge)-> FT —> HT —> (continue rotation)

[Arthuro-Ray]

I only menaged to get 2 FT with BfB up on the opening like, once in 10 tries with 180ms avarage, makes me sad

[Dervy]

Do you delay BFB to use it around 2/3d through your GDC or hit it instantly? If the latter, try delay it.

[Zankes]

Do you delay BFB to use it around 2/3d through your GDC or hit it instantly? If the latter, try delay it.

I delay it, but my latency is just terrible and I am not able to use WTFAST , because PS4. Is there any other good alternatives for openers or do you still recommend that if I am not able to do double FT... When EU servers come I will be able to do it.. but I don't think stacking tons of skillspeed would be worth it or would it be?

PS: Saw your video about delaying, so I learnt it from it haha, was funny video.

[Spayd]

Do you delay BFB to use it around 2/3d through your GDC or hit it instantly? If the latter, try delay it.

Considering the fact that i have a 8 ms ping, do I need a certain skillspeed to do this, i have 0 SS on my drg atm. If not, I'll try it when I get home and tell you the consistency.

[Kuroyasha]

Considering the fact that i have a 8 ms ping, do I need a certain skillspeed to do this, i have 0 SS on my drg atm. If not, I'll try it when I get home and tell you the consistency.

Can I have your ping D:

[Dervy]

Considering the fact that i have a 8 ms ping, do I need a certain skillspeed to do this, i have 0 SS on my drg atm. If not, I'll try it when I get home and tell you the consistency.

I believe the minimum you need is 360-370 with such low ping. I think its Auirily who can do it with 367ss.

EDIT: If you're unable to get 9GDCs, download the spreadsheet, and change the GDCs to 8 in cell F3. There's still a few places for you to min/max. What I'm going to do later is add a massive list of the entire rotation, with the time and a skill speed modifier, so you can see how different placements of BFB in the opener can impact the rotation in the long run.

One thing that's important is that if you do clip your GDCs at all, it's game over. It takes a lot of practice to get it done.

Another thing to consider is that if you're able to get 9GDCs, the one point in the rotation where its acceptable to delay BFB by a GDC, which are bolded in red. People with lower ping will encounter this, but players like myself who have around 100ms+ will never need to delay it that much.

[Spayd]

I believe the minimum you need is 360-370 with such low ping. I think its Auirily who can do it with 367ss.

Alright, I'll do some tests to confirm if it works at 0 and 360-370. Also, I've been wondering about stat weight and latency how they affect each others. I've read one of your post saying that the weighting of SS for nin was lower than believed first. I'm wondering how do you calculate this and come up with some exact numbers. I've been wondering this for a while now and have no idea it works.

Also would like to know approximatively what would be the weight if drg stats with 0 latency if it really does affect it!