So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[kaynide]

If you're assuming that a tank can't out damage a dps, you're completely wrong.

I'm not assuming; It's simply math when you look at the rotations.

Skill and Gear being equal, it would be pointless to design the trinity as it is if Tank could outdo DPS. If that were the case, why wouldn't coil groups go with all Wars as melee DPS? Because, again all things being equal, a tank will never out DPS a DPS.

Also @Bamboofox: Agreed, you can get in 1 quick rotation per tower cycle in that case

[Ellatrix]

I'm not assuming; It's simply math when you look at the rotations.

Skill and Gear being equal, it would be pointless to design the trinity as it is if Tank could outdo DPS. If that were the case, why wouldn't coil groups go with all Wars as melee DPS? Because, again all things being equal, a tank will never out DPS a DPS.

Also @Bamboofox: Agreed, you can get in 1 quick rotation per tower cycle in that case

Ok, sure. Assuming 100% optimal play, a DPS will do more damage than a tank. The number of players who play at perfection is about zero. Your post demonstrates nothing more than a lack of understanding of reality.

Also 7WAR/1Heal coil is pretty fun, try it sometime.

[IzumiYuki]

Ok, sure. Assuming 100% optimal play, a DPS will do more damage than a tank. The number of players who play at perfection is about zero. Your post demonstrates nothing more than a lack of understanding of reality.

Also 7WAR/1Heal coil is pretty fun, try it sometime.

To be very honest, I think your posts are the ones that show a lack of understanding of reality.

In a group of similar skilled and geared players, the dps will always outdps the tank. Why would you want to compare extremes where the tank is more geared than the dps or the tank is more skilled than the dps? Such assumptions are just a waste of time and does not prove the reality. In that case, I can run faster than Usain Bolt when he has flu and sprained his ankle.

Not only are you being illogical, you are also contradicting yourself. You said the number of players that play at perfection is about zero. But you then only include dps and exclude tanks from that statement. If all players are bad as you say, even the tanks won't be able to play optimally and thus still won't be able to outdps a dps. At 100% optimal play, a dps outdps a tank. And when all players are not playing optinally, the dps would still outdps a tank .Don't give me nonsense that only dpsers can play badly but not tanks. Anyone playing any role can play badly.

[Xisin]

Sorry Ella have to disagree with you on this one: it doesnt take perfection to actually outdps a war as any dps... matter of fact given the same weapon ilvl i'll out dps any war you bring up to me by a margin of 150+ if not more. That's not perfection thats just how it is. In the course of over 10 minutes I don't see a war maintaining over 400 dps. I can maintain well over 500 and that's me being a blm... with an i115 weapon.

if war out dpss the dps this means:

gross lack of skill in comparison
gross lack of gear in comparison
or a bit of both.

also, if necromancer was in this game Ella would of gained 10 levels in it for this thread alone.

[Ellatrix]

You aren't doing "well over 500" on BLM with i115 weapon/i110 gear unless your parse is 5 seconds long and you're counting a double flare. Or do you just normally round up to the nearest 100 to make yourself look better?

You're on Sarg, come over to our house and hit our target dummy.

[Xisin]

If I'm parsiing vs a warrior then it isnt on a dummy.

Foe will be in play, as well as Selene. 500 dps isnt hard to reach in coil fights, unless the fights have extended periods of downtime, like t12 for example, even then it's likely doable with optimization on t12 if 4 bennu are pushed. (my groups done that.) BLM in general can produce higher numbers while grouped rather than solo.

[kaynide]

Ok, sure. Assuming 100% optimal play, a DPS will do more damage than a tank. The number of players who play at perfection is about zero. Your post demonstrates nothing more than a lack of understanding of reality.

Also 7WAR/1Heal coil is pretty fun, try it sometime.

I was trying to be civil.. but alright: if, as you say, optimal players are near zero then how can you possibly expect tanks to play at the level you are talking about here. I am simply saying that your average Joe dps will always out dps the average tank. If you are going to bring in extremes then you have to be open to all extremes.

Regarding Coil: Doing Ramuh HM with 8 healers is also fun. Effective and efficient? Absolutely not.

[Aussir]

Had this happening once when I landed on a fc pre-made. The people were all completely over-geared for the time (high allagan and so on) and proceeded to demolish the dungeon without even bothering to buff or anything.

They just rushed out and I was lucky to catch any kind of buffs as the healer was making her damn best to make sure I didn't get any. On top of this, she blatantly refused to heal me at all meaning I had to "sit in a corner" waiting for my HP to recover.

After the first boss they finally said something (they hadn't said anything from the beginning) and it was just "we don't need you here" and kicked me out.
So, I get harassed by elitists and on top of it, I'm the one getting booted out. According to some people in this thread, this isn't abuse at all

If I count the times when people could have been booted from our pre-mades and got 1 gil for every person that could be kicked for "different play-style", I would be filthy rich.

Just last night, 3 runs = 3 people that were bad at the game and refused to learn or listen to any kind of advice.
We had a "first timer here!! ZERG ZERG + do crap" person, a "look at me in lvl 15 CASTER (all classes) gear trying to tank a lvl 30 dungeon!" person, and a "look at me! I pull all this and die like a fly and then moan at the healer" person.

If I go by what SE says, we could have kicked them all and get someone else to fill the spot (probably another disaster anyway) but what we supposed to choose? Harassment?
If I go by some people in this thread, if your clothes are dyed the wrong color you should be kicked out because "elitism".

The vote kick system needs improvement and more options. When anyone contests a kick with a ticket, SE should check out the chat logs of the people involved in the kick and see what they were saying in their FC/LS because that's where you'll find all the reasons behind a lot of vote-kick abuse.

[AsahinaMyLove]

I got booted for not using Swiftsong when I played Bard! Lmfao!
Party got wiped on a 2nd bossfight(that one with the Turtle and 4 cannons) the shortcut isnt really a short cut.
Party leader vote kick me out lol

Edit: I also got booted because:
I did "not heal" my party in Sycrus Tower Scylla Boss when the entriy raid was stoned(me too ofc!) and died cuz of adds there aoe atks LOL!
I said I was stoned. like every1 else. But no they booted me.
I was lucky and rejoined the exactly same party. They booted me again! Nice abuse! D: <

[RickXRolled]

not really Gilthas, if you start taking serious actions against *stupidity* and when I mean serious actions I mean that, soon enough you will see that people will become more reasonable and fast....it has always been like that, when no barriers are put into place, is chaos, put into place rules and enforce them in a fierce manner, for a short while, and everything will fall into place fast....it has always been like that everywhere ...first say no before saying yses..here we say yes and never say no lol

Mei

If they take serious action against stupidity, most of the playerbase would be affected.