Rejoice ninjas!

[Felessan]

I... Know? All I'm saying is that Monk (and Dragoon) should have higher DPS, because the hardest thing Ninja has to do is not button mash... Please ignore Doctor Pepper, I have never really advocated nerfing Ninja (outside PvP), simply that Ninja should come third out of the three, which is something he himself expects when Dragoon gets buffed.

I really don't get it. Why do you think that "have to move 2 steps around boss" should be more rewarding that "cannot spam abilities"?
Both are demanding and requires certain skill especially in mechanics-heavy fights. Why one should be rewarding and another should be just ignored? Because you like one and not the other?

I don't mind dragoon to do more damage than NIN, but not because of this "movement", but rather because their utility is lower than monk and ninja.

[Nalien]

Why one should be rewarding and another should be just ignored? Because you like one and not the other?

Ninjutsu IS rewarded. Like I said earlier, Ninja boasts the highest potency in ability damage.

This certainly isn't about me liking Monk or Dragoon either. Ninja is my favorite Job in this game currently, I'm simply under no allusions that Ninjutsu are difficult to pull off, or that the base rotation is in any way a problem.

its rewarded if you input correctly. mess up a ninjutsu, and you get your rabbit. kinda like how when you dont hit flank and dont get ht, except you can keep trying for HT for as long as you want.(dps loss on both ends)

If ninja make mistakes with ninjutsu, his dps is just obliterated. Be it Huton, Raiton or Suiton. It's a part of job - to either know how to keep GL on you or never make a mistake with jutsu.

I'd really love to know how you're both messing up a simple 1 2, or 1 2 3 ability combo, I really would... Sadly, I've reached my idiotic daily post limit though.

It's a part of job - to either know how to keep GL on you or never make a mistake with jutsu.

This specifically though... You lose Greased Lightning when a mob decides to bugger off. When a mob decides to bugger off you do not suddenly hit Ten Ten Ten and get a Rabbit Medium.

To everybody in this thread defending ninja, you come across as somebody who wants to see nerfs because you are making arguments about how easy the job is due to lack of positional requirements, it's as simple as that.

I suggest you all brush up on your reading comprehension then, because "Ninja is easy to play" =/= "Nerf Ninja!" or "Make Ninja harder!". I'm not going to take the blame for others assuming I want, again, what is my favorite Job, changed.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm getting all this heat for daring not to play on dial up so that Ninjutsu combinations end up being easy for me to achieve...

Also, if the boss 'buggers off' while I'm in the middle of casting raiton, I'm screwed for 20 seconds.

I doubt you'll see this (seriously SE, why do we have a daily post limit? christ...), but pro tip; Always do Jin > Chi for Raiton. If the mob buggers off you can just add Ten and get Huton and adjust your Ninjutsu rotation accordingly (Huton > Suiton > Raiton becomes Huton > Raiton > Sution, for example). Most of the time a mob jumps its a predictable mechanic, though.

[Kaze3434]

Ninjutsu IS rewarded. Like I said earlier, Ninja boasts the highest potency in ability damage.

This certainly isn't about me liking Monk or Dragoon either. Ninja is my favorite Job in this game currently, I'm simply under no allusions that Ninjutsu are difficult to pull off.

its rewarded if you input correctly. mess up a ninjutsu, and you get your rabbit. kinda like how when you dont hit flank and dont get ht, except you can keep trying for HT for as long as you want.(dps loss on both ends)

[Aethaeryn]

I'd really love to know how you're both messing up a simple 1 2, or 1 2 3 ability combo, I really would... Sadly, I've reached my idiotic daily post limit though.

This specifically though... You lose Greased Lightning when a mob decides to bugger off. When a mob decides to bugger off you do not suddenly hit Ten Ten Ten and get a Rabbit Medium.

Sometimes I lose track of which one I hit last while addressing mechanics. Sometimes I hit one button twice on accident because I'm used to pressing keys multiple times between GCD to catch the queue. I'm a lot better at it now and make very few mistakes, but it took practice.

GL stack loss is really annoying, and people have been asking for SE to extend the duration of the buff for a long while now. The only reason I can think of why they haven't is because then they'd have to actually do something about monk's insane sustained damage output, and making us lose GL stacks is easier than real balance. Also, if the boss 'buggers off' while I'm in the middle of casting raiton, I'm screwed for 20 seconds. Not as big of an issue as losing GL stacks, but see previous statement about GL stacks.

[Fayto]

Also, if the boss 'buggers off' while I'm in the middle of casting raiton, I'm screwed for 20 seconds.

Make it a habit of starting with Jin first instead of Ten. If the boss does jump away, you can atleast refrest your Huton buff that way and wont waste your Ninjutsu.

Why the hell do you people want to nerf ninja so bad? Keep Ninja as is and buff DRG to be superior to both MNK and NIN instead as it should have been in the first place.

Because PvP.

[DoctorPepper]

Make it a habit of starting with Jin first instead of Ten. If the boss does jump away, you can atleast refrest your Huton buff that way and wont waste your Ninjutsu.

That's a good tip.

Down with ninja in pvp only (because who cares).

[Aethaeryn]

I doubt you'll see this (seriously SE, why do we have a daily post limit? christ...), but pro tip; Always do Jin > Chi for Raiton. If the mob buggers off you can just add Ten and get Huton and adjust your Ninjutsu rotation accordingly (Huton > Suiton > Raiton becomes Huton > Raiton > Sution, for example). Most of the time a mob jumps its a predictable mechanic, though.

It's still a small damage loss here. Not as punishing as just losing the ninjutsu, but still. I'm well aware of using 3->2 over 1->2, though, but I was making an example. Regardless, at least we can agree that GL stacks suck.

Doton does more over time if the target is kept over the ring.

If you get all 8 ticks from doton, it's still 120 less potency than Raiton for single target...no? Kassatsu would put Doton's total damage at almost the same as Raiton without Kassatsu.

[Felessan]

What I've been saying is simple; Ninja has a single potency nerf if mistakes are made, every 60 seconds.

If ninja make mistakes with ninjutsu, his dps is just obliterated. Be it Huton, Raiton or Suiton. It's a part of job - to either know how to keep GL on you or never make a mistake with jutsu.

[Felessan]

Ninjutsu IS rewarded. Like I said earlier, Ninja boasts the highest potency in ability damage.

Even rewarded with ninjutsu NIN do less damage than monk that just spam his rotation.
And without reward they are no better than other dps, it's not like venom and huton just bring baseline to 300 dps regardless of skill. No, bad ninja are just as bad as any other dps. I have a special nickname for failures of ninja and I use it quite often (only in private channel of my static outside the game though as I really don't mind newbies) - "150 dps"