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    Aethaeryn's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    Harder is perhaps the wrong word, but that is still something Ninja simply does not have to deal with. Closest it gets is; "Opps, I just applied Dancing Edge when we have a Warrior tank".
    So make drg and mnk not have to deal with it too. I don't even understand why anyone *wants* to have to deal with forced lower dps on fights that force you to be in front or at the side for a big part of the encounter. It's pretty terrible that dragoon can't even get heavy thrust buff or disembowel/chaos thrust without being in the right position. At least monk's positional attacks only drop their damage some rather than gutting their rotation. I don't know, positional stuff has always just been so annoying to me on all games. That's why I jumped right on ninja when it came out. Artificial difficulty in the form of forcing jobs to deal a lot less dps on some encounters is not good design.
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    Last edited by Aethaeryn; 11-19-2014 at 03:50 AM.

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    Raka Maimhov
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aethaeryn View Post
    So make drg and mnk not have to deal with it too.
    The positional requirements are part of the feel and lore of the job. BUT (in the case of DRG) the penalty for MISSING those positionals is sub-par DPS, basically a punishment because the tank can't stand still or the thing they are fighting turned to cast a spell on someone. We should do good damage if we miss those and better damage if we nail them, not bad damage if we miss and still sub-par damage even if we nail all positionals and weave all OGCD's perfectly on a completely stationary target while other jobs have movement speed and/or attack speed buffs and little/no positional requirements.

    I don't want my positionals taken away, I just want them to be rewarding to maintain instead of punishing to neglect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RakaMaimhov View Post
    I don't want my positionals taken away, I just want them to be rewarding to maintain instead of punishing to neglect.
    I can agree with that. I think that the penalty on DRG for failing to meet positional requirements is way too strict and needs to be addressed. I just don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the way ninja is now. I don't find it difficult now, but the learning curve was definitely much higher and took me a lot more practice than monk or dragoon. I'm still not perfect yet, but I think adding positional requirements (other than DE? I wouldn't be terribly upset about that one because I didn't even realize it wasn't actually flank for like two weeks lol) would make the job more stress than it's worth at this point.
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