Rejoice ninjas!

[Aethaeryn]

Positional attacks are just annoying. They don't make dragoon or monk more difficult to play at all. You can hug the line and barely have to move at all for monk and dragoon for most fights in the game. The only issue is when the boss turns a lot for attacks, but that doesn't make it harder to play. Positional attacks are just bad design when they cause a job to really struggle (like DRG with some FCoB stuff right now I guess?).

[Nalien]

The only issue is when the boss turns a lot for attacks, but that doesn't make it harder to play.

Harder is perhaps the wrong word, but that is still something Ninja simply does not have to deal with. Closest it gets is; "Opps, I just applied Dancing Edge when we have a Warrior tank".

Given SE decided Monk and Dragoon should have to suffer mechanics like this, it seems only fair that they beat Ninja, who doesn't have to suffer such mechanics.

inb4 more "i'm on dial up, ninjutsu is hard you guys! believe it!"

[Morningstar1337]

Umm... dancing edge icon leaned right, the dot's both lean left and are different colour. Am I the only one that thought they weren't confusing at all?

Maybe but You likely weren't colorblind

[Felessan]

Hitting 3 1 2, 1 2 3, or 2 1 (Huton, Suiton, Raiton respectively) is not massively difficult to either execute or weave between GCDs efficiently. If latency is an issue we'd be calling Titan (Hard) a challenge, when it isn't.

Moving 2 steps over clearly visible edge between flank and back is nothing hard too for skilled players.

Heavy Thrust/Impulse Drive need to be reused because the boss turned suddenly for X mechanic. Annoying.

Much more annoying is when you miss TA at the same situation.

Very little of PvE ends up causing that, as long as everyone is doing their job properly, at least.

Any immune/fight breaks too will lead you to lose ninjutsu (besides Huton) if boss decides to do it in the middle of ninjutsu cast. Annoying as hell.

[RakaMaimhov]

Hi, you must be new here! This is an SE MMO, and nerfing IS buffing because SE. Also "adjustment" = nerf.

I've seen no evidence that nerfing is their policy of "adjustment" in FFXIV. They have buffed and nerfed from what I've seen. DRG has been both buffed and nerfed, they just need a little more to put them on par with ninja.

FFXI was notorious for nerfs, but more recently they've been buffing every job (except SMN of course)

[Aethaeryn]

Harder is perhaps the wrong word, but that is still something Ninja simply does not have to deal with. Closest it gets is; "Opps, I just applied Dancing Edge when we have a Warrior tank".

So make drg and mnk not have to deal with it too. I don't even understand why anyone *wants* to have to deal with forced lower dps on fights that force you to be in front or at the side for a big part of the encounter. It's pretty terrible that dragoon can't even get heavy thrust buff or disembowel/chaos thrust without being in the right position. At least monk's positional attacks only drop their damage some rather than gutting their rotation. I don't know, positional stuff has always just been so annoying to me on all games. That's why I jumped right on ninja when it came out. Artificial difficulty in the form of forcing jobs to deal a lot less dps on some encounters is not good design.

[Nalien]

Any immune/fight breaks too will lead you to lose ninjutsu (besides Huton) if boss decides to do it in the middle of ninjutsu cast. Annoying as hell.

Most of which are predictable by enemy HP%. I can swap out a Suiton or Raiton for an early Huton in such a case, a Monk cannot likely keep Greased Lightning up, depending on the jump duration. Gods I wish they'd add 3 seconds to Greased Lightnings duration... That or Lv60 better bring something similar to Monks PvP skills...

Much more annoying is when you miss TA at the same situation.

Mostly for the party, not your individual DPS, though losing 160 potency in ability damage is never nice. Trick Attack is also only every minute, instead of fairly constantly throughout a fight; more chance for the same to happen to a Monk than a Ninja.

So make drg and mnk not have to deal with it too.

That's up to SE, not me. Simple fact is that Ninja doesn't suffer from such mechanics nearly as much with a static 20% damage buff and Huton, compared to what Dragoon and Monk have to endure. The three should be balanced with that in mind.

[Mook_Mook]

Only change I.can see is adding a 3. Second debuff to prevent chain trick attacks.

[Coldbrand]

Positional attacks don't make the job harder at all *goes on to describe how it requires constant movement (as a fight should) and putting yourself in danger (the penalty for being tougher than a frail caster/doing more damage)* "Just annoying"? I enjoy requiring situational awareness personally and am bored to death when playing NIN at the mindlessness. I can let my mind drift and really only need to watch the HP bar tick and the colors brighten up. That's what happens to game feel when you eliminate the need to be cognizant of the enemy.

Also you must not play MNK or DRG because "hugging the line" that separates rear and flank is like begging to lose DPS and flow because the slightest turn in the mob or tank, or if anyone moves at all or anyone else gets aggro means you lose.

Enjoy the change to the haptic experience of playing these jobs if you destroy what keeps them engaging. You should check out the 3ds version of Street Fighter, you'd probably love playing Guile.

[RakaMaimhov]

So make drg and mnk not have to deal with it too.

The positional requirements are part of the feel and lore of the job. BUT (in the case of DRG) the penalty for MISSING those positionals is sub-par DPS, basically a punishment because the tank can't stand still or the thing they are fighting turned to cast a spell on someone. We should do good damage if we miss those and better damage if we nail them, not bad damage if we miss and still sub-par damage even if we nail all positionals and weave all OGCD's perfectly on a completely stationary target while other jobs have movement speed and/or attack speed buffs and little/no positional requirements.

I don't want my positionals taken away, I just want them to be rewarding to maintain instead of punishing to neglect.