So Second Coil has been destroyed

[Rieze_Xeero]

I don't get these so called elitist. You can brag all you want that you beat the game with out echo... good job we commend you on that but did you ever think others want to play end game too / raids but due to their "REAL LIFE" issues/schedules they can't. SE is just being fair to others who want to play it. Besides you have turn13 down already so whats to the point in crying for the changes in scob? If you want this game to last long, we need this kind of change. Personally I only want to remove the lockout and that you can DF scob but not echo. But that's how it is deal with it.

[LunaHoshino]

Personally I only want to remove the lockout and you can DF SCOB but not echo. But that's how it is deal with it.

Agreed. I only started playing this game about two months ago, so my options for even getting to SCOB were either to wait and hope that I could get enough people from my FC together to work on T5 (which most of them have already passed) or try to PUG it. No one does T5 on PF anymore unless it's a farm party, so that's right out. This way at least I'll be able to join the progression/learning parties for SCOB now and learn the fights on my own without having to rely on others.

[Gwaeron]

I don't get these so called elitist. You can brag all you want that you beat the game with out echo... good job we commend you on that but did you ever think others want to play end game too / raids but due to their "REAL LIFE" issues/schedules they can't. SE is just being fair to others who want to play it.

So that's the same people that can't beat Second Coil with twenty extra item levels and a 10% echo who want to, ahem, enjoy endgame? I'm sure they'll find their time in Final Coil very enjoyable indeed.

Also, if it's endgame you want, then what's so bad about Second Coil still being on endgame level? More fun for you with "REAL LIFE" issues!