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    zar's Avatar
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    Vahn Vana'diel
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    This isn't a matter of prestige for me. I'm really upset they took one of the best designed fights in any MMORPG I've played and butchered it (T7). I'll never get to experience the original again.
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    Polyhedral Dice
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    Quote Originally Posted by zar View Post
    This isn't a matter of prestige for me. I'm really upset they took one of the best designed fights in any MMORPG I've played and butchered it (T7). I'll never get to experience the original again.
    That dish has been reseasoned by the best professional chefs and reserved to people like yourself, in savage mode. You even get a title for it.
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    Yamimarik's Avatar
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    Marik Destiel
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    Wow some of you are gonna be having a really bad time for probably the rest of this game's life then... Yoshi-P back in Beta and again after a few updates had already set up the precedents of nerfing outdated content when newer content pops up. This has been re-iterated so many times by him in the past. I don't see this changing any time soon unless they drastically change the way the game works (which may very well happen in 3.0, who knows but SE.) either way, this was no surprise at all.
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    Mumuki Muki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamimarik View Post
    Wow some of you are gonna be having a really bad time for probably the rest of this game's life then... Yoshi-P back in Beta and again after a few updates had already set up the precedents of nerfing outdated content when newer content pops up. This has been re-iterated so many times by him in the past. I don't see this changing any time soon unless they drastically change the way the game works (which may very well happen in 3.0, who knows but SE.) either way, this was no surprise at all.
    Well, I didn't really expect such heavy nerfs to the mechanics of the fight, not right off the bat at least. I mean, t2 allagan rot still blows people to smithereens, right? Or maybe that was changed too (if it did, it definitely wasn't on the first nerf, I'm sure... I think)...
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    Alukah Bast
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutemutt View Post
    Well, I didn't really expect such heavy nerfs to the mechanics of the fight, not right off the bat at least. I mean, t2 allagan rot still blows people to smithereens, right? Or maybe that was changed too (if it did, it definitely wasn't on the first nerf, I'm sure... I think)...
    First coil turns outside t5 can be done with a blindfold and your hands tied up. For t2 specifically people just enrage and spam heal. Turn 5 itself, I don't know if it received any nerfs but IMO the hardest part is knowing how to use focus target.

    Second coild will just be as farmable as first coil, probably a bit less.

    While T9 got no nerfs I guess the extra DPS from echo will help to get to / past golems fast and ghosts will be a bit less of a threat, though I highly doubt a DF group will even get to Heavensfall.
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    Last edited by Alukah; 11-18-2014 at 04:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alukah View Post
    First coil turns outside t5 can be done with a blindfold and your hands tied up. For t2 specifically people just enrage and spam heal. Turn 5 itself, I don't know if it received any nerfs but IMO the hardest part is knowing how to use focus target.

    Second coild will just be as farmable as first coil, probably a bit less.
    Well yeah, but it wasn't a mechanic nerf; that was just people outgearing or maybe you could say just brute forcing it with extra heals (and echo later on, of course). There was only the paralysis change to lessen the need for a bard/monk silence as far as I remember.

    Still, I could go back and handle the rot method if I wanted to.
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    Last edited by Mutemutt; 11-18-2014 at 04:37 PM.

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    Alvis Yune
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutemutt View Post
    Well, I didn't really expect such heavy nerfs to the mechanics of the fight, not right off the bat at least. I mean, t2 allagan rot still blows people to smithereens, right? Or maybe that was changed too (if it did, it definitely wasn't on the first nerf, I'm sure... I think)...
    I don't believe Allagan Rot was ever changed. That said show me turn 2 groups who still actually deal with Rot instead of going for the soft enrage method.
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    Shizuru Misurugi
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    Being REALLY late into the Coils game, I've only beaten T6 with a PUG last week. I'm just sad that T7 is nerfed before I can beat it, haha. I actually liked the mechanics for that fight...
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    Syanonn Rias
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadRyder View Post
    Being REALLY late into the Coils game, I've only beaten T6 with a PUG last week. I'm just sad that T7 is nerfed before I can beat it, haha. I actually liked the mechanics for that fight...
    Yea T7 was really fun, 1 mistake often = wipe raid if you petrify your tank or healers. Now, the petrify is shorter and no longer 1 shots if you get hit while petrified. And it mentioned Renaud getting attack nerf too? I'm not gonna get hit for 28k no more?
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    Tyrnia Edil
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Chihaya View Post
    Yea T7 was really fun, 1 mistake often = wipe raid if you petrify your tank or healers. Now, the petrify is shorter and no longer 1 shots if you get hit while petrified. And it mentioned Renaud getting attack nerf too? I'm not gonna get hit for 28k no more?
    Oh yeah T7 and voice, counting down on TS

    5 seconds until she casts voice again
    3 seconds
    ok people she's casting voice
    Voice is on X, Y and Z

    and then a couple seconds later me and the other tank get petrified.

    I still have nightmares about T7.
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