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    Thayos Redblade
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    After two weeks of my static getting mauled in T7, I actually welcome these nerfs. We'll learn how to deal with the mechanics at a more reasonable pace now that we're not getting insta-killed with every single mistake.
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    Awwww, the run sellers will have to lower their prices now, maybe even lose a lot of business in the process.
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    Leyna Crosse
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    Quote Originally Posted by polyhedral View Post
    Awwww, the run sellers will have to lower their prices now, maybe even lose a lot of business in the process.
    I havent even seen coil "run sellers" on my server. But yep, too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polyhedral View Post
    Awwww, the run sellers will have to lower their prices now, maybe even lose a lot of business in the process.
    Bingo! That is why they come out with so much hate. The OP is a self-professed clear seller. SE knows that making the game more accessible and more inclusive is the right thing. If they don't want these nerfs, all the people need to do is be more willing to teach newer players how to clear them. Join those learning parties and help them clear, so to SE it looks like people are clearing at a reasonable pace. If that is maintained SE will not make the adjustments.

    I cleared T7 a month ago and then my static fell apart. I'm with a new static now, but they just want to work on T9. I got more experience in T9 than I do in T8 which is kind of funny. But when I tried to help people with T7, I spent more time waiting on the PF, and sometimes never even get going. And since I main a SMN, so I almost always get stuck with kite duty. These adjustments hopefully will make T7 more widely available for everyone and I would be able to help in more ways than just kite duty.
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    Last edited by NyarukoW; 11-19-2014 at 08:22 AM.

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    Yoongi Mio
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    Bingo! That is why they come out with so much hate. The OP is a self-professed clear seller. SE knows that making the game more accessible and more inclusive is the right thing. If they don't want these nerfs, all the people need to do is be more willing to teach newer players how to clear them. Join those learning parties and help them clear, so to SE it looks like people are clearing at a reasonable pace. If that is maintained SE will not make the adjustments.
    Oh god, it's you.
    Everything you just said is silly. There are SO many people that teach newer players how to do these fights. Everyone on these forums likes to rant and rave about how no one ever does any learning parties but they actually are doing them on the servers. I promise you, they are. I can't join every single one of them. The veterans of these fights shouldn't have to join them all either just to help them through.

    SE will not care and they will make adjustments regardless of everything you just said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio View Post
    .... I promise you, they are. I can't join every single one of them. The veterans of these fights shouldn't have to join them all either just to help them through.
    ....
    You don't have to join all of them all the time. But if people take the attitude that they will try to help instead of selling clears, and if they helped enough players thru then SE will see that from their data and make smaller and/or fewer adjustments. Considering that not everyone has cleared T5, but compared to SCoB, there is enough player knowledge out there and a few rounds of PF and DF people can clear T5 now and recruiting player to help with T5 is far easier to get in comparison, and clear seller have basically abandoned selling T5 clears. So SE is only adjusting SCoB so it can be like T5, and obviously they haven't messed with T5 anymore means that this what they are happy with.
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Two food for thought items:

    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    Bingo! That is why they come out with so much hate. The OP is a self-professed clear seller. SE knows that making the game more accessible and more inclusive is the right thing. If they don't want these nerfs, all the people need to do is be more willing to teach newer players how to clear them. Join those learning parties and help them clear, so to SE it looks like people are clearing at a reasonable pace. If that is maintained SE will not make the adjustments.
    You keep speaking about being inclusive about everything but by your own reckoning, you would rather exclude all those "elitest clear selling trolls" from the entire game if you could.

    ...think about that, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    I cleared T7 a month ago and then my static fell apart. I'm with a new static now, but they just want to work on T9. I got more experience in T9 than I do in T8 which is kind of funny. But when I tried to help people with T7, I spent more time waiting on the PF, and sometimes never even get going. And since I main a SMN, so I almost always get stuck with kite duty. These adjustments hopefully will make T7 more widely available for everyone and I would be able to help in more ways than just kite duty.
    I would recommend instead of just you ALONE helping people, you should consider getting a small group of people to go and help people. Having three people (one tank, one healer, one DPS or two tanks and one healer) goes a long way at getting PFs filled faster. If you can get a small AND core group together to help, I'm pretty sure you'll get more bites then waiting on hours at end and be able to facilitate more people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
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    I would recommend instead of just you ALONE helping people, you should consider getting a small group of people to go and help people. Having three people (one tank, one healer, one DPS or two tanks and one healer) goes a long way at getting PFs filled faster....
    Let them eat cake too. Beautiful. I would love to be able to do that, but I can't even get people agree here to just take the attitude to help people once in a while when they can, hardly require them to do anything but change the outlook. How do you suppose I can round up people to join to learning PFs? Those tanks and healers are always in demand and never have enough around. I switch to healing a lot of the times just so I can fill the healer spot and help people make a go at it, but it T7 they are missing the kiter and I get stuck kiting. Heck I've even tanked T7 when I know I am a terrible tank, but they were short a tank, and the renauds were running lose and people were being stoned all over the place.
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    Heck I've even tanked T7 when I know I am a terrible tank, but they were short a tank, and the renauds were running lose and people were being stoned all over the place.
    Shoulda just had em put you as MT. Even the worst tank could MT T7 in their sleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    Let them eat cake too. Beautiful. I would love to be able to do that, but I can't even get people agree here to just take the attitude to help people once in a while when they can, hardly require them to do anything but change the outlook. How do you suppose I can round up people to join to learning PFs? Those tanks and healers are always in demand and never have enough around. I switch to healing a lot of the times just so I can fill the healer spot and help people make a go at it, but it T7 they are missing the kiter and I get stuck kiting. Heck I've even tanked T7 when I know I am a terrible tank, but they were short a tank, and the renauds were running lose and people were being stoned all over the place.
    That's unfortunately a challenge you'll need to solve. As has been spoken of before, networking. You need to be able to find like minded individuals that suit your time and schedule. Join EX Primal practice runs, talk with people, see if they're interested in teaching new people. Start small, get that tank and healer, then build from there. Let it be known your goals. There's already one other person who agrees with your sentiment - his name is polyhedral - the person you quoted. You don't need to entire world to see your desire, just two or three people and go from there.

    There are several people on the forums that share your sentiment, just a matter of talking with them, maybe ask them to join you on your journey to help. Ya never know unless ya ask.
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