The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Gardes]

SE does not set the standard on player ethics or sportsmanship.

Oh so people can be rude in game and they won't get punished for it by SE's GM team and vote kicking for harassment doesn't actually do anything. Right.

[NyarukoW]

Oh so people can be rude in game and they won't get punished for it by SE's GM team and vote kicking for harassment doesn't actually do anything. Right.

You go ahead and test GM. But the standards are set by the player base. The GM will get the reports from the players and they can make a decision to act on them. And you can see that SE did that with the recent withdraw penalty reflect the wishes of the vast majority of the player base and this is for players they can't even directly report. SE will enforce the standards to the best of their ability, but it is up to player base to set the standards, and that is never a simple matter. SE and their TOS only sets the minimum leaving them a lot of leeway to adjust and respond as they best see fit.

...Am I simply a terrible person for not taking every latecomer under my wing and walking them through every piece of content? ...

Way to make a strawman. No one is asking you take everyone under your wing. If you can help when you can that is all that can be asked, as long as you are not doing the negative stuff, like exploiting other players thru clear sells, or using verbal abuse and treating them with contempt.

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... Paid for both the FC house and my house!
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Our FC house was bought with everyone contributing without ever resorting to selling clears. I don't care about housing, but I know players in the FC that got their own house without ever resorting to selling clears even before this 2.4 patch, they just sell their simply gathered mats and some of their crafts got a small house for themselves, and they help with people doing T5 clears without charge and not just in our FC. I know because we've done a few when we can.

[Exstal]

No one is asking you take everyone under your wing.

Except you are doing exactly that.

"Be more inclusive, help new players out"

A straight hypocrite.

[NyarukoW]

Except you are doing exactly that.

"Be more inclusive, help new players out"

A straight hypocrite.

Encourage people to help other makes me hypocrite? Some seriously broken logic. Help when you can is a long ways from helping everyone all the time. But it is not unrealistic or unreasonable to take the attitude to be more inclusive so your are open to helping others when you can, and it naturally follow that one should do NOT hate on the newer players, and newbies. So don't all people names like lazy, lack initiative, spoonfed, etc. which are all false for a vast majority of the playerbase. And do NOT do exploit other players with clear sells.

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Advice was provided for the OP.

"Make your own group"
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That is sure stating the obvious. The OP even said that is what has been tried time and time again. The question how do you do that effectively? There has been all sorts of irrelevant name calling, but no real advice to date. And this thread went downhill once the name calling started:

.... You guys are either the most antisocial people on the planet and live in a friendless hole in the eorzea ...

And advice like this supposed to help the OP how?

And then it was followed up by shame less clear sell:

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But hey u can always hmu for a sale if u really wanna clear that bad lol

No help for the OP but will certainly taunt the OP. If anyone that should be upset it should be people that newer players and newbies trying to build a static, the verbal abuse on the forum is just excessive. All the raiders feigning righteous indignation have only the clear sellers to blame, and really have no ground to stand on.

[Gardes]

Encourage people to help other makes me hypocrite?

Based on your posts? Yes. I checked your lodestone and you don't even seem to be capable of practicing what you preach.

[Dwill]

Encourage people to help other makes me hypocrite? Some seriously broken logic. Help when you can is a long ways from helping everyone all the time. But it is not unrealistic or unreasonable to take the attitude to be more inclusive so your are open to helping others when you can, and it naturally follow that one should do NOT hate on the newer players, and newbies. So don't all people names like lazy, lack initiative, spoonfed, etc. which are all false for a vast majority of the playerbase. And do NOT do exploit other players with clear sells.

Except that you refuse to acknowledge that people are actually helping others when their time and constraints permits it.

It's funny because the reason clear sells exists is because there is a demand for it. A whole lot of people who buy clears are just people who want to complete it once for the achievement and couldn't be bothered to grind for hours on end so they just pay, get the clear and/or loot then are done with it. Nobody's forcing or threatening anyone for these clears. It's a contract that needs to willing parties so if one party is not happy with the terms, they can easily just refuse and move on. You're making it sound like clear sellers are all colluding together to deny people of joining parties so that these very same people will be forced to buy from them which is just nothing short of a delusional thought.

[Exstal]

Encourage people to help other makes me hypocrite? Some seriously broken logic.

No. Telling people to help new players and, by extension "take under their wing, then going right around and saying that no one says that is hypocrisy. There is no two ways about this.

Based on your posts? Yes. I checked your lodestone and you don't even seem to be capable of practicing what you preach.

Nah, this character is an alt character. She said she used to get harassed in-game and/or on forums when she used her real character.

[Gardes]

Nah, this character is an alt character. She said she used to get harassed in-game and/or on forums when she used her real character.

So she believes in her cause so much that she comes to the forums to berate other people but can't actually take the heat back and hides behind an alt character?

Looks like my pic still applies after all.

[Exstal]

So she believes in he cause so much that he comes to the forums to berate other people but can't actually take the heat back and hides behind an alt character?

Looks like my pic still applies after all.

I personally don't understand it. I've been on the forums for quite some time, and if you've been a regular on topics, I've posted many unpopular opinions. Want to guess how many times I've been harassed?

[Aylis]

I cannot, you cannot, nobody in this thread can dedicate their play-time in its entirety to helping people.

You're dealing with someone who I honestly believe doesn't fully know or understand the whole "being inclusive" to newer players. If they told the truth in another thread where they said this was their first MMO then maybe? Being inclusive is a two way street and effort is needed on both sides. Maybe they never heard of searching FC/LS sites online and playing the game of "which place looks best for me to fit into and start the ball rolling of sending tells like "Oh hey I really like your FC, I'm new to raiding but want to learn and try" I like helping people when I can, I love doing it actually! Sadly though I need to have some backing before I offer just so I know said person isn't either looking to troll me or harass me. Usually with me, just seeing you in one of my linkshells is good enough of a reason for me! ^^

So I dunno their view of "being inclusive" do they mean the new players that are willing to do the foot work to show they are real and nice people? Or do they mean helping every single random "Help please! I'm NEW!" thingy in the world?