The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[NyarukoW]

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Which his screenshots perfectly prove is a false statement. ...

The screenshot do not prove a single thing. The scroll bars obscure information. I'll grant the were not doctored with photoshop. I never said 24/7 on all servers. But as long as their is a clear seller somewhere advertising that is one clear seller too many.

Proving something does not exist, is not simply saying you don't see the evidence. You need have evidence of absence which can not be done with a single screen shot.

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The pandemic of clear sellers isn't as bad as you continually make it out to be.
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Define pandemic? If players are seeing the clear seller advertising it is bad.

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Wait, so, if I equate all 6 into something bad..

The act of stealing is fine, thieves are not.
Assassins are fine, serial killers are not.
People who hunt endangered animals for kicks are fine, people who hunt endangered animals to sell their parts are not.

:^)

You are a funny one. All the non-sequitors you can come with amazes me. Don't even know how that is even remotely related. But I'll play.

The act of stealing is neutral, after all bases stolen in baseball is fully acceptable. Or the CIA/NSA stealing secrets from ISIS is perfectly ok. But thief that gets caught usually goes to jail or dies.

The assassins, a.k.a seal team 6, that took out Osama under Obama's watch certainly are great soldiers for the U.S., and nobody wants a serial killer like Jack the Ripper on the lose.

I don't know where your are going with hunting endangered animals. But selling white rhino horns and elephant ivory are clearly forbidden.

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How about innocent until proven guilty? Clearly, you believe all raiders are guilty of being clear sellers by association, as proven by:

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Nothing.

I never said they were guilty of being clear sellers, because there is no logical way to proving that. But the apathy from the raiders, and defense of clear sellers, and at the same time all the effort put into verbal abuse, and misrepresenting and excluding the newer players and newbies, the evidence from all that is in this thread as well as many other threads is overwhelmingly damning, and shows a overall lack of empathy. Yet they would shameless ask for empathy for those who have none (a.k.a the clear seller) but not for people like the OP. Perhaps it is wishful thing, but the silver lining is that the loud and obnoxious one here on the forums are over-represented and does not in fact represent actual in game demographics.

[Atomnium]

I'm going to sound rude but, could we just ignore NyarukoW or even report him?
The guy is being very toxic over any raid-end-game discuss on this forum :x

To be honest, I don't even know why he didn't got reported yet, being toxic while making raiders looking like the bad guys and clearly calling a conspiracy over clear-sellers being everywhere is kind of silly...

I'm offended, working so hard while having so much fun with my static on t12 right now and when I look at this thread, all I see is NyarukoW spitting over people and to be fair, even if you re a clear seller, you don't deserve such hates... especially coming from someone who probably not even beaten T5.

[Exstal]

You can't report people for things if they haven't broken any rules. Even if NyarukoW is clearly wrong in most of her claims, it's still within the forum rules.

[NyarukoW]

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Which clearly contridicts your previous comment of... .Back pedalling to get off on a technicallity, eh?

Well I do get an out by technicality, but there is some selling on my server not that long ago, but I can't check on them all time. But so what if the clear sellers are advertising at slightly less than 24/7. So they do it at 22/7 or something like that, and they certainly can't sell during maintenance. It is my fault for not using more precise language, but you should be chastising those that abuse that kind of muddled wording a lot more readily, e.g.

... Even even 2 people say they don't care then people don't care.....

So 2 people equals all people. Right. And no empathy for the OP, but want empathy for clear sellers. I'll ever agree to a position as ridiculous as that.

...being toxic while making raiders looking like the bad guys ....

How is it toxic to ask the people be more inclusive? How am making raider look bad by asking that? If anything it is the clear sellers, a subset of raiders, that is making the raiders look bad and making things toxic. You should focus your ire towards the clear sellers.

[Gardes]

Well I do get an out by technicality,

On whose authority? Clear selling hasn't been outlawed by SE's authority either.

[NyarukoW]

...Clear selling hasn't been outlawed by SE's authority either.

SE does not set the standard on player ethics or sportsmanship. Clear selling has NOT be outlawed, but I am lobbying SE here to have a solid case to make it a ban-able offense. I don't have hard evidence, but it would be naive to believe that all that gil from clear sells is NOT funneled thru RMT sellers somehow.

I don't understand why is so hard to provide some useful practice-able advice for the OP, but so easy to want to defend the clear sellers? This makes no sense at all.

[BobtheBlackMage]

How is it toxic to ask the people be more inclusive? How am making raider look bad by asking that? If anything it is the clear sellers, a subset of raiders, that is making the raiders look bad and making things toxic. You should focus your ire towards the clear sellers.

Inclusive of WHO, really? Random people I've never met and never spoken to? Am I simply a terrible person for not taking every latecomer under my wing and walking them through every piece of content? Join my FC, contribute to our little community, and we'll talk. Our group survives on the concept of mutual aid, not angels descending from heaven and saving grace.

And why the hate for selling clears? Open market, marketable skills. I spent a great deal of time honing those skills, and can earn a profit from them. Paid for both the FC house and my house!

SE does not set the standard on player ethics or sportsmanship. Clear selling has NOT be outlawed, but I am lobbying SE here to have a solid case to make it a ban-able offense. I don't have hard evidence, but it would be naive to believe that all that gil from clear sells is NOT funneled thru RMT sellers somehow.

I don't understand why is so hard to provide some useful practice-able advice for the OP, but so easy to want to defend the clear sellers? This makes no sense at all.

Advice was provided for the OP.

"Make your own group"

Pretty simple advice, but honestly, that is the core of it. If he really is capable of clearing content, and just needs time to practice, he needs to assemble the group HE needs, as it is likely others need it too. No Angels, no Heroes, just Adventurers, helping each-other on equal footing.

[Gardes]

SE does not set the standard on player ethics or sportsmanship.

Oh so people can be rude in game and they won't get punished for it by SE's GM team and vote kicking for harassment doesn't actually do anything. Right.

[NyarukoW]

Oh so people can be rude in game and they won't get punished for it by SE's GM team and vote kicking for harassment doesn't actually do anything. Right.

You go ahead and test GM. But the standards are set by the player base. The GM will get the reports from the players and they can make a decision to act on them. And you can see that SE did that with the recent withdraw penalty reflect the wishes of the vast majority of the player base and this is for players they can't even directly report. SE will enforce the standards to the best of their ability, but it is up to player base to set the standards, and that is never a simple matter. SE and their TOS only sets the minimum leaving them a lot of leeway to adjust and respond as they best see fit.

...Am I simply a terrible person for not taking every latecomer under my wing and walking them through every piece of content? ...

Way to make a strawman. No one is asking you take everyone under your wing. If you can help when you can that is all that can be asked, as long as you are not doing the negative stuff, like exploiting other players thru clear sells, or using verbal abuse and treating them with contempt.

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... Paid for both the FC house and my house!
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Our FC house was bought with everyone contributing without ever resorting to selling clears. I don't care about housing, but I know players in the FC that got their own house without ever resorting to selling clears even before this 2.4 patch, they just sell their simply gathered mats and some of their crafts got a small house for themselves, and they help with people doing T5 clears without charge and not just in our FC. I know because we've done a few when we can.

[Exstal]

No one is asking you take everyone under your wing.

Except you are doing exactly that.

"Be more inclusive, help new players out"

A straight hypocrite.