The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[NyarukoW]

... me into some run selling all exclusive raider. ....

I've never said that about you. You wrote that up yourself, and then you go on about you false self-indignation about it all. Way to make up a strawman and then beat on it.

.... Just because it isn't the majority..

Why settle for it being less than the majority. Why can't we encourage people to try to make that the norm? It is probably wishful thinking, but that why I advocate the position I take and why I am trying to ask for people to be more inclusive.

Here is the deal - most "elitist raiders" have put in the hours to learn these fights already. ...

But there is no need to be "elitist" about it. If you don't have the time you don't have the time. But it would nice if you can make time once in a while and definitely don't hate the newer players or call them names.

A. Not as good as they thought, B. Not as good as they said,

Look this is going to happen, because people can't know what they do not know. They can have confidence, but even with that they'd still need 25 wipes or more to practice it to the point where they are 99% flawless.

I'll tell you what, I will teach you all of SCoB up to Divebombs in T9 (because that's where my group is), if you sign a contract saying that you will be available to fill in for my group 40% of the time if I need you to be there, no guarantees on slots. I will e-mail you your "on-call" schedule at the beginning of every month.

If you really follow thru on something like that, that is already a big step forward that those that just blame people for not trying, not taking initive, or calling people names over and over. People are not asking to be spoonfed, they are looking for a group and opportunity.

You have to understand, teaching someone SCoB is frustrating. Its hard work, and it feels like walking through quicksand.

I fully understand that. It is a real pain trying to get people commit to a schedule. I've got people telling me setting a schedule is being elitist which nonsense.

Think about if I asked you to help me craft some items. If that takes 5 minutes I'm very sure that you would jump to it and help me out, maybe even for no cost and you wouldn't charge me for mats! Thanks man. Oh yeah, I need TWELVE TIMES this many items!

I'd tell them we need to schedule a time to do that, and I'd help them craft. I got all my crafting at 50 but not all at 3 stars yet, but I've helped people with crafting and I've gotten help from other crafters too.

You don't have time to craft something trivial for an hour for me? You. Elitist. Scum.

I don't think you needed to do this calling some made up crafter names and play that false indignation card.

[Dwill]

Why settle for it being less than the majority. Why can't we encourage people to try to make that the norm? It is probably wishful thinking, but that why I advocate the position I take and why I am trying to ask for people to be more inclusive.

The thing is you don't know how inclusive most people are. You just base your stances on anecdotal evidences (yours included) and then label people as being exclusive. Most people will help newcomers but the thing is that most people don't want to only help people all the time. Sometimes, they want time for themselves and that's the thing you're not getting. From your point of view, if someone doesn't want to help someone else no matter the reason, they are being exclusive and bad and whatever label you want to put on them. You just look at the whole situation from one point of view without even bothering to look at perspective from the other side.

[NyarukoW]

... Sometimes, they want time for themselves and that's the thing you're not getting.

I know this, because this is both the default and obvious fact. I didn't think I need acknowledge such baseline obvious fact.

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if someone doesn't want to help someone else no matter the reason, they are being exclusive and bad ....

If they can not or do not want to help, the least they can do is do nothing. That should be the easy default. The problem is, there are those who will deliberately choose to do less than nothing, that is when they are being "being exclusive and bad". The most obvious example are the 24/7 advertising from clear sellers who obviously has the time to sit their and spam adverts but will not help. They may be a minority but they sure are loud and unavoidable. Like wise there are others who make the effort to come here and tell people like the OP to shut up and quit whining, and then call them all sorts of names. Why put efforts to demoralize people already being frustrated? That is kicking people when they are down and that is not right.

[Dwill]

I know this, because this is both the default and obvious fact. I didn't think I need acknowledge such baseline obvious fact.



If they can not or do not want to help, the least they can do is do nothing. That should be the easy default. The problem is, there are those who will deliberately choose to do less than nothing, that is when they are being "being exclusive and bad". The most obvious example are the 24/7 advertising from clear sellers who obviously has the time to sit their and spam adverts but will not help. They may be a minority but they sure are loud and unavoidable. Like wise there are others who make the effort to come here and tell people like the OP to shut up and quit whining, and then call them all sorts of names. Why put efforts to demoralize people already being frustrated? That is kicking people when they are down and that is not right.

You know this but then why do you willfully ignore it then and just choose to view things from one side only ?

[NyarukoW]

You know this but then why do you willfully ignore it then and just choose to view things from one side only ?

I don't ignore it. But I can't let people spew hatred and contempt at newer players unchecked. You look in this thread, not mention many others, there is way to much unjustified abuse of newer players and newbies. Many of the players probably never look at the forums don't even know about all this, but they are the silent majority being unfairly abused.

[Tiggy]

I don't ignore it. But I can't let people spew hatred and contempt at newer players unchecked.

No but I guess you're hatred and contempt for raiders is ok though? You're spewing plenty of that all over the place.

[NyarukoW]

No but I guess you're hatred and contempt for raiders is ok though?

But I don't hate the raiders. It think this much should be obvious. I hate clear sellers and their RMT bot friends who are likely in collusion with them but I there is no way I can come up with and evidence for that. And I don't like people who hatred and contempt at newer players.

[polyhedral]

but the thing is that most people don't want to only help people all the time.

This type of idea would have wrecked FFXI from the get go. You would not have lasted 3 months without helping others every single day in that game.

This community is not like the community FFXI had. We were forced to help each other, and forced to be friendly, or we didn't get ANYWHERE.

I thought most of you you would have known this, and would have brought that kindness to this game. I was wrong.

I like this game, but the separation of community over one damn event in this game, is a problem nobody here has the answers for.

All people in these 25 pages want to do is talk over each other. This accomplishes nothing.

[Dwill]

This type of idea would have wrecked FFXI from the get go. You would not have lasted 3 months without helping others every single day in that game.

This community is not like the community FFXI had. We were forced to help each other, and forced to be friendly, or we didn't get ANYWHERE.

I thought most of you you would have known this, and would have brought that kindness to this game. I was wrong.

I like this game, but the separation of community over one damn event in this game, is a problem nobody here has the answers for.

All people in these 25 pages want to do is talk over each other. This accomplishes nothing.

Way to hyperbole. There is a gigantic difference between helping sometime and helping all the time. And just a reminder, there were A LOT of unfriendly people that were successful in the game and you know why, there were this things called Linkshells, that would let you do stuff with a certain group of people!

I don't ignore it. But I can't let people spew hatred and contempt at newer players unchecked. You look in this thread, not mention many others, there is way to much unjustified abuse of newer players and newbies. Many of the players probably never look at the forums don't even know about all this, but they are the silent majority being unfairly abused.

You are ignoring it, it's literally one of the reasons why you think new players are "Oh so persecuted".

[Kallera]

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You are ignoring it, it's literally one of the reasons why you think new players are "Oh so persecuted".

There is a fundamental distrust among players that the game has fostered through its approach to content. In xi, I didn't have to deal with the drill sargeant,I could join a different linkshell and still do endgame activitIES.

Here, it is 1 activity, and a growing part of content that is walled off by a combination of player expectations, jumping ship, and team jump rope mechanics. Its setting people against each other as there is story, requirement, and loot behind it. And it has continued to render FCs and LSes unable to assist, except by conforming to the lockout. Meanwhile, clears are sold, videos and prior clears are demanded, "The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer," and then comes content outside the raid catering only to the rich...

I'm not saying it is the fault of one group of players. I'm saying it is the combination of content development, and the responses of the populace that is causing this contention.