The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Tiggy]

And the idea that " people have no obligation to help others" is failure to understand that helping others is actually enlightened self-interest. I won't even invoke karma or anything like that. In plain simple mathematical and probabilistic terms, the more people you can help clear the gated content, the larger the pool of players you can draw from when tackling newer content, so it will be easier to get groups and statics. It requires taking a longer view and be willing to be more patient for the return on investment. This is a strategy that can help all the players together.

News flash. People don't care, and way to miss the entire point of my post once again and to try and nitpick the small stuff that didn't matter at all. You completely fail to acknowledge that a persons time is there own and you're simply acting entitled to expect them to use it the way you want them to. You completely ignore everything that actually refuted what you believe and you seem to honestly think you're debating the topic. You're not.

Here's the skinny kid. I have an FC with well over 100 active members. If you aren't on that member list then I don't care about you. You don't exist. Everything you said is in my self interest to do I do for my FC and my FC only and I do therefore cultivate an effective pool of players and friends to help me complete content. Our FC members frequently get the wins they've been working on since we'll see them struggling to learn a fight over the course of a few days and then a few of us will team up and make that win happen. We invest our time internally to make a better more effective guild and we get people their wins all the time. The game has too many people and I have too little time to care about every single person so I limit my dealings to my FC, and others are going to do the same. There is zero reason to expect players to white knight for every downtrodden player on their server. It's unrealistic to expect it of them as well. If players want to complete content more often maybe they should stop trying to appease the entire server as you suggest and start building a better guild like I did. An investment spread too broadly will return nothing of value.

Also, needs more deal with it. People won't play the way you want them to and you need to accept that.

[NyarukoW]

.... People don't care

You don't care, not people don't care. People like OP very much does care. Why else this thread here? You just wish it doesn't exist. And if you don't care why does a thread like this bother you so?

....The game has too many people and I have too little time to care about every single person...

More obvious facts. But does it mean people should not care? I won't fault you or anyone because they are limited in time, just like the OP is limited in time, so why fault the OP and say they don't deserve to try SCoB or FCoB? Time is limited for everyone including myself. I can't do everything I'd like to for myself or for my FC or others. But it doesn't stop me from trying.

...People won't play the way you want them...

Find a post where I dictate how people must play? I am only advocating for what I believe can be done and should be done, and who knows there might be people that can actually do it and do it better than myself. In any case I only ask people not the behave badly toward newer players and newbies, via excluding them, treating them with hatred and contempt, and yet gladly taking their gil.

[Lord_Zlatan]

hes not saying they don't deserve to try... he's saying its not his problem that he or she can't get a group together to do the content with.

I clear T5 3/4 weeks after it went on the duty finder. I used the duty finder, not the party finder. Probably spent a total of 20 hours in the DF with it. Got my kill. People in FC wanted to try it, so I helped out and got 5 more kills.

Ive been on the outside looking in now, and have not been able to do T6. My chedule doesn't fit the 2nd raid group in my fc. Instead of crying about it and saying that Im being excluded from the content, or demanding other players to help me, you know what I'm going to do? Im going to DF the sh*t out of T6-9. Ill get my wins. It'll take time, but ill get it done. If my FC decides that enough people are on to coach a learning party, il be there.

Its all about how much effort you want to put into it.

[Tiggy]

You don't care, not people don't care. People like OP very much does care. Why else this thread here? .

You're right. If more people cared this thread wouldn't exist because it wouldn't even be a problem. However, this thread does exist so enough people don't care and therefore you have people making these threads because there is indeed a problem. It's your assumption that this viewpoint isn't shared and it's a direct fallacy to automatically discount my point because of that. I don't have numbers and neither do you, but it's not even remotely a stretch since it's obvious that enough people don't care to ensure threads like this exist.

More obvious facts. But does it mean people should not care? I won't fault you or anyone because they are limited in time, just like the OP is limited in time, so why fault the OP and say they don't deserve to try SCoB or FCoB? Time is limited for everyone including myself. I can't do everything I'd like to for myself or for my FC or others.

If that's so obvious to you then maybe you need to reflect on your demands of people in your past posts. It doesn't seem like you have any respect for peoples personal time at all. People will only care as far as they can extend themselves and that's not very far with limited time available to them. Time which you agree people are limited by including yourself.

[craig_meredith2003]

hes not saying they don't deserve to try... he's saying its not his problem that he or she can't get a group together to do the content with.

I clear T5 3/4 weeks after it went on the duty finder. I used the duty finder, not the party finder. Probably spent a total of 20 hours in the DF with it. Got my kill. People in FC wanted to try it, so I helped out and got 5 more kills.

Ive been on the outside looking in now, and have not been able to do T6. My chedule doesn't fit the 2nd raid group in my fc. Instead of crying about it and saying that Im being excluded from the content, or demanding other players to help me, you know what I'm going to do? Im going to DF the sh*t out of T6-9. Ill get my wins. It'll take time, but ill get it done. If my FC decides that enough people are on to coach a learning party, il be there.

Its all about how much effort you want to put into it.

Agreed don't know why the rush to endgame /shrug.

[NyarukoW]

...It doesn't seem like you have any respect for peoples personal time at all. ...

That is also a false assumption you like to make. I very much respect the time of all the players. So I am very much in support of SE latest penalty for the DF for withdraws.

Since there appears to be a bit of confusion, I’d like to explain a little bit about how the Duty Finder penalty system works.

After the participants have been matched together, penalties will be counted in the event you press the “Withdraw” button or fail to press any button at all in the allotted time frame. As long as all of the party members have not been matched together, leaving the queue will not count towards the penalty.

Also, in the event that you queue up to the Duty Finder as a party, if one party member withdraws when matched, it will count as a penalty towards all of the party members. This excludes times when you queue as a complete pre-made party. Withdrawing in these instances will not count towards the penalty.

*When it comes to Crystal Tower, immunity for the withdrawal penalty only takes place when you queue as a full, pre-made 24-person alliance.

Because too many people take others for granted. And that attitude is a problem. And it is that same exploitative attitude that lets the clear sellers take the gil from newer player and newbies that they treat with contempt and disdain.

[AlexionSkylark]

Im going to DF the sh*t out of T6-9. Ill get my wins. It'll take time, but ill get it done.

Well, the thing is, you can't. You can't queue solo for SCoB. If I could, I most certainly would. But I can't.
Also, that's what I did with the extreme primals. I even related that experience on my opening post. So, what I'm "complaining here" is that the effort I CAN put into this game barely gets me inside the instance. And this happens because of the unwillingness of people.

[Tiggy]

That is also a false assumption you like to make.

It's not an assumption. Based on your attitudes in past posts, other threads, and your expectations of players that makes me say that statement with confidence. Maybe you should think harder about how your argument makes you come across.

That is also a false assumption you like to make. I very much respect the time of all the players. So I am very much in support of SE latest penalty for the DF for withdraws.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what we were just talking about. You're straw man is denied.

[craig_meredith2003]

Well, the thing is, you can't. You can't queue solo for SCoB. If I could, I most certainly would. But I can't.
Also, that's what I did with the extreme primals. I even related that experience on my opening post. So, what I'm "complaining here" is that the effort I CAN put into this game barely gets me inside the instance. And this happens because of the unwillingness of people.

A lot of that could be settled with being able to solo que Scob, that is on SE not the players

[NyarukoW]

That has absolutely nothing to do with what we were just talking about. You're straw man is denied.

There is no strawman. I merely pointed to a concrete example demonstrating that I very much value time of all the players. Not just end game raiders. It is an example to refute your claim that I do NOT value the time of other players.

Also you have no idea what is a logical fallacy.

... a direct fallacy to automatically discount ...

When you make a blanket statement like, "people don't care" which proven false by the simple fact of the counter example of the OP's starting post for this thread.

A lot of that could be settled with being able to solo que Scob, that is on SE not the players

BCoB T1-T5 didn't get to that point until after a while. But we don't have people talking about this, but we have people more interested in playing devil's advocate for clear sellers.