The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[craig_meredith2003]

Well, the thing is, you can't. You can't queue solo for SCoB. If I could, I most certainly would. But I can't.
Also, that's what I did with the extreme primals. I even related that experience on my opening post. So, what I'm "complaining here" is that the effort I CAN put into this game barely gets me inside the instance. And this happens because of the unwillingness of people.

A lot of that could be settled with being able to solo que Scob, that is on SE not the players

[AlexionSkylark]

A lot of that could be settled with being able to solo que Scob, that is on SE not the players

EXACTLY.
And what is the best thing a player can do when "that is on SE"? Maybe... open a thread in the official forums?

[craig_meredith2003]

EXACTLY.
And what is the best thing a player can do when "that is on SE"? Maybe... open a thread in the official forums?

I agree with the thread idea 100%, but the fact that some have turned into a players problem I don't

[NyarukoW]

EXACTLY.
And what is the best thing a player can do when "that is on SE"? Maybe... open a thread in the official forums?

SE most likely has the stats on clears for T6-T9. Putting these on the DF before there is enough players with clears to seed it with a base level of experience will probably lead to more futile frustrations. Or it could be that SE has schedule it wants to maintain.

But I can only imagine how much rage quitting will happen and it will probably be even worse than that. There is common saying for SCoB, "it is where your friends kill you not the boss." Just image voice is not pointed the right way and both healer are stoned in T7, or the red and yellow meteors are placed too close to each other on T9.

.. but the fact that some have turned into a players problem I don't

It is very much a player problem. Putting it on the DF will only move the problem to rage quitting on the DF. Perhaps that is better than not getting a party on the PF in the first place, but the problem is and always will be the players.

...The raider is this devil being with horns with an evil grin that continuously tries to find ways to abuse on the innocent.....

Even in your continuous war against these clear sellers ...

I never said raiders were the ones with horns. You did. I didn't equate them to the clear sellers, but it seems they get tied together by people claiming to be raiders but gladly selling clears. I'd be fine with the two being separate, but it seems you want to tie them together too.

[AlexionSkylark]

The problem is, "seeding the DF with experience" will only lead to a similar experience that you have on PF.

I can assure you 100% from experience that the most successful parties on DF for this kind of endgame content are the ones that DON'T have people with experience. Those parties are the ones that people will stick through till they clear it.
Experienced people only want a quick clear, and WILL rage quit after 1 or 2 wipes, thus disbanding the group. If that's what SE is looking for, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

[NyarukoW]

...Experienced people only want a quick clear, and WILL rage quit after 1 or 2 wipes, thus disbanding the group. If that's what SE is looking for, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

That is probably true. And those kind players are probably happier buying and selling clears too.

Nonetheless, it takes a static, or at least mine until it broke apart, 3 nights with 2 hours each session to finally clear, for example, T7 for the first time. If it is to be doable on the DF within the DF's alotted time, assuming multiple attempts withe DF, they will probably have to tune the encounter so that some of those 1-hit insta kills or raid wipes are recoverable under some lucky RNG conditions. And as SE has stated already, they are monitoring the SCoB clear rates and will probably make adjustments depending on their schedule.

[Sapphic]

Experienced people only want a quick clear, and WILL rage quit after 1 or 2 wipes, thus disbanding the group. If that's what SE is looking for, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

From my experience, the ones that rage quit the most are the ones which wanted to be carried through it due to their unwillingness to take time to learn the fight. Also they turn into the most vocal, abusingly so before leaving. I'll help with friendly tips in roulette when I run them each day, but way too are not receptive in any way to any type of advice, no matter how it is given. It's a good feeling when you give some one who is struggling advice, they listen and you see a very noticeable improvement, It's frustrating as *censored* when they totally ignore you or /laugh, and more, and as I said, it's more often the latter. Why make an effort to actually help people if they don't want to be helped?

How do you think players who started at launch got to level they are at? By practice, by learning exactly what each ability does. The first person players shoul dbe looking to help them, is themselves. There are numerous guides and info out there easiy to locate that explains the basics and more advanced techniques that can be used to improve. Use them! They are written by players that have took the time to aid others.

Instead of some blaming the players that understand jobs/mechanics, Look at those who spit on them first.

[Ellatrix]

A lot of that could be settled with being able to solo que Scob, that is on SE not the players

It will be added to the DF soon along with the first iteration of Echo. It is following the same pattern as the 2.2 patch.