Things that need to change for the better

[Dubont]

Stop crying please. None of these points are valid. Enmity is fine the way it is.. Just cause u dont know how to hate manage as a mage is no ones fault. I dont have that issue.

Dungeons need not to be nerfed at all. You need to strategize. Its not hard at all to recover after a wipe when u run back...

Gear damage is fine.. get crafting.. cost less

MP cost is fine.. learntoMPmanage.com coordinate with other mages in the party

Enmity is obviously not fine when provoke doesn't do what provoke is supposed to do. Manage hate? Ok. Went in to the dungeon last night. Waited 30 seconds for the tank to establish hate. I cast a cure 1. Ogre turned to me. Hate manage? yeah...fix enmity.

We actually got a strat worked out and I realized that the reason we kept dying so early...is because people wouldn't move into position fast enough, but getting back in after a wipe is still hard and almost near impossible as SOMEONE will die 90% of the time.

Gear damage, itself, is fine, but having to pump out almost 50k every we run the dungeon is not fine.

MP cost is not fine. Without 3 mages, the chances of running out MP are extremely high. I know how to manage MP as we've done the dungeon 10 times with only 2 mages (1 con, 1 thm) and the MP management was decent, but the fact that I have to cure, press f, cure, press f, cure, press f just to keep a solid amount of MP is ridiculous. This game probably has the highest MP costs of ANY game out there right now. Either lower the MP cost (just by a bit..maybe lower it by 10%) or increase the potency of the cures to accommodate for the MP cost.

None of my points are valid? Ok, stats are still broken and raises all share the same timer so there's no point in having anything other than R2 and Rebirth...so..why have the ability to use them, if we can't use them? Point is valid.

[Thanos]

Enmity is obviously not fine when provoke doesn't do what provoke is supposed to do. Manage hate? Ok. Went in to the dungeon last night. Waited 30 seconds for the tank to establish hate. I cast a cure 1. Ogre turned to me. Hate manage? yeah...fix enmity.

We actually got a strat worked out and I realized that the reason we kept dying so early...is because people wouldn't move into position fast enough, but getting back in after a wipe is still hard and almost near impossible as SOMEONE will die 90% of the time.

Gear damage, itself, is fine, but having to pump out almost 50k every we run the dungeon is not fine.

MP cost is not fine. Without 3 mages, the chances of running out MP are extremely high. I know how to manage MP as we've done the dungeon 10 times with only 2 mages (1 con, 1 thm) and the MP management was decent, but the fact that I have to cure, press f, cure, press f, cure, press f just to keep a solid amount of MP is ridiculous. This game probably has the highest MP costs of ANY game out there right now. Either lower the MP cost (just by a bit..maybe lower it by 10%) or increase the potency of the cures to accommodate for the MP cost.

None of my points are valid? Ok, stats are still broken and raises all share the same timer so there's no point in having anything other than R2 and Rebirth...so..why have the ability to use them, if we can't use them? Point is valid.

awwwww pookie! i feel so bad for you! you actually have to mage now! poor you!

What fun was it to spam aoe cures all day long? its boring.. this is much more challenging no? its fun? go play something else if u want something in perma easy mode

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[Dubont]

awwwww pookie! i feel so bad for you! you actually have to mage now! poor you!

What fun was it to spam aoe cures all day long? its boring.. this is much more challenging no? its fun? go play something else if u want something in perma easy mode

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funny that you say that considering how, until this patch, I was never a healer at all. I would toss out a cure once or twice if the THM was down on mana, but any other time, I was a full time blm con. You want to talk about easy mode to a player that played FFXI for 7 years and solo/duod blm all the way to 75? yeah ok, bro. I'm not happy that CON is the new whm especially since I am a terrible healer. ZOMG! HE SAID HE IS BAD! Yes, I admitted that I'm a terrible healer and the only game that I've ever mained healer in was PWI, but the point still remains that the mana costs for the cures in this "casual friendly" game are still much higher than any other game and they need to be lowered. Also, sir, I would like for you to actually comment on my other points instead of trying to belittle me to make yourself feel better about your life.

[SuzakuCMX]

funny that you say that considering how, until this patch, I was never a healer at all. I would toss out a cure once or twice if the THM was down on mana, but any other time, I was a full time blm con. You want to talk about easy mode to a player that played FFXI for 7 years and solo/duod blm all the way to 75? yeah ok, bro. I'm not happy that CON is the new whm especially since I am a terrible healer. ZOMG! HE SAID HE IS BAD! Yes, I admitted that I'm a terrible healer and the only game that I've ever mained healer in was PWI, but the point still remains that the mana costs for the cures in this "casual friendly" game are still much higher than any other game and they need to be lowered. Also, sir, I would like for you to actually comment on my other points instead of trying to belittle me to make yourself feel better about your life.

So you have no idea what you're doing when you're trying to heal and then complain about MP costs?

[Dubont]

So you have no idea what you're doing when you're trying to heal and then complain about MP costs?

and here you go trying to belittle me. No, I know what I'm doing from a hate and mp management standpoint seeing as how (if you actually read my post instead of just trying to find a reason to yell at me more) I solod/duod blm in XI...what I didn't mention was that I was elvaan and I did perfectly fine. I still played healers, but I never mained them (meaning I never took one past like..65) So yes, I know what I'm doing as far as MP is concerned, I'm just not good at knowing thresholds and the limits of my cures.


So far, most people seem to agree with almost everything aside from #5. After testing it out a bit more, I did realize that the fight is actually pretty decent once you get past the initial aggro (the reason we would wipe was due to a party member's error, which we have now corrected). Now we just need the right setup as 1 con, 1 thm, 2 arc, 2 mrd, 1lnc and 1 pug just isn't quite cutting it so I retract the statement about the dungeon needing a nerf. I WILL NOT, however, retract my statement about the mobs depoping so that the party can reenter. I still strongly believe that this needs to at least be looked at.

[Santrale]

funny that you say that considering how, until this patch, I was never a healer at all. I would toss out a cure once or twice if the THM was down on mana, but any other time, I was a full time blm con. You want to talk about easy mode to a player that played FFXI for 7 years and solo/duod blm all the way to 75? yeah ok, bro. I'm not happy that CON is the new whm especially since I am a terrible healer. ZOMG! HE SAID HE IS BAD! Yes, I admitted that I'm a terrible healer and the only game that I've ever mained healer in was PWI, but the point still remains that the mana costs for the cures in this "casual friendly" game are still much higher than any other game and they need to be lowered. Also, sir, I would like for you to actually comment on my other points instead of trying to belittle me to make yourself feel better about your life.

Considering con has nuke spells and not just cures, it is a shame to see them made into a cookie cutter class. Being a healer can be fun if you like that.. and wanna deal with people ready to verbally lynch you if you make one mis-step and they die. I was a whm 75 in XI, I only ever went so for very close friends cause I hated the masses that just wanted to suck up cause healers were so obscure. You're right Dubont you shouldn't have to be restricted from using other abilities in a class. I mean it'd be nice if people could tweak their characters to choose more. When you make classes that are more flexible you don't find these static party set ups because there's only ONE true tank class and so on. I mean people screamed for more strategy, and it seems they still didn't get it like they thought. Strategy that requires one method and set up for doing something isn't a strategy, it's making it easier to post a solution on a wiki to a battle. I much prefer strategy where I can think of many possibilities, such as a con being able to lay into a boss with it's elemental magic and have it be effective and not always be a designated healer.

[Santrale]

awwwww pookie! i feel so bad for you! you actually have to mage now! poor you!

What fun was it to spam aoe cures all day long? its boring.. this is much more challenging no? its fun? go play something else if u want something in perma easy mode

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I bet thanos is one of those people who have no idea the world outside of their front door exists. Or just feels so poorly about the person they are outside of the game, it makes them feel better to be elite in at least a digital world! It's okay Thanos you'll always be loved so long as the servers don't go down and you're able to manipulate others to get ahead in this digital world.

[Arcell]

I bet thanos is one of those people who have no idea the world outside of their front door exists. Or just feels so poorly about the person they are outside of the game, it makes them feel better to be elite in at least a digital world! It's okay Thanos you'll always be loved so long as the servers don't go down and you're able to manipulate others to get ahead in this digital world.

And yet you're no better. Here you are belittling others on a video game forum for being good at a game and putting time into it. You act like anyone who tries to be good at any game is some 40 yr old shut-in, failure in society. I put my all into the game when I can play. I have a job, college and friends I hang out with in the real world. Fact still stands that once I log in I give it 100% as well.

[Thanos]

And yet you're no better. Here you are belittling others on a video game forum for being good at a game and putting time into it. You act like anyone who tries to be good at any game is some 40 yr old shut-in, failure in society. I put my all into the game when I can play. I have a job, college and friends I hang out with in the real world. Fact still stands that once I log in I give it 100% as well.

I think anyone who has any sort of goals to him is a social failure.. lol

[Santrale]

And yet you're no better. Here you are belittling others on a video game forum for being good at a game and putting time into it. You act like anyone who tries to be good at any game is some 40 yr old shut-in, failure in society. I put my all into the game when I can play. I have a job, college and friends I hang out with in the real world. Fact still stands that once I log in I give it 100% as well.

That is awesome, if you want to do that. Really it is... but why should you expect people who don't want to 100% commit themselves to something to do so or get out and off the game? It'd be nice if casual and hardcore players could all have what they want to be honest. It seems the party hard core players though want to make casual play not beneficial at all? The only thing I am left to think is that you like to flaunt the e-peen that you were happy to give up so much of your RL time for a set or even just one item at people who don't have the time you do to play. I actually am a shut in btw, my boyfriend isn't he works 10 or more hours a day, which seemed fine with this game, but the nerf on leve SP and rewards/gil you get, it hurts a casual player's progression, especially when party players can spam instances. I could easily put 200% into a game but I'd rather not leave him in the dust, and I'd rather just get to play how I'd like to and not have to deal with the elitist statements from people who think I'm lower than them cause I play with people cause I want to, not cause I can benefit from kissing up to a big EG LS (When those start that is.) and so on.