Things that need to change for the better

[Raze]

Here's a question:

Why when people beat content they're "elitist", which is derogatory, but people who can't even get close to a win, why can't we say they suck? If you can think of a better term than "suck" feel free, like "incompetent" or something, but I don't get why people can get away with calling everyone elitist by default and then get all upset when the obvious conclusion is that they blow.

[MeowyWowie]

Here's a question:

Why when people beat content they're "elitist", which is derogatory, but people who can't even get close to a win, why can't we say they suck? If you can think of a better term than "suck" feel free, like "incompetent" or something, but I don't get why people can get away with calling everyone elitist by default and then get all upset when the obvious conclusion is that they blow.

Reverse hypocrisy? (Does that even exist?) Idk, but good point lol.

[Preypacer]

Here's a question:

Why when people beat content they're "elitist", which is derogatory, but people who can't even get close to a win, why can't we say they suck? If you can think of a better term than "suck" feel free, like "incompetent" or something, but I don't get why people can get away with calling everyone elitist by default and then get all upset when the obvious conclusion is that they blow.

Because people who have placed them self in the role of "underdog" feel they're the only ones with the right to say such things, would be my guess.

I've been called elitist for suggesting people improve their skills to overcome a challenge they were having trouble with, even though I hadn't yet overcome it myself and stated as much.

It's in the same "non-rebuttal" category as "go back to WoW".

Another would be simply that they're sore losers and need some kind of way to "get back" at those who have - for whatever reason, legit or otherwise - "crossed them". These days, someone calling another player "elitist" in gaming circles is basically on par with telling someone "Oh yeah? Well you're stupid!" as a response to a statement they can't otherwise rebut.

[Zdenka]

Sorry but 3 vokes and 2 WS's (including time to TP to do those WS's) is at least 4000 threat in the new system... the most a Cure3 can do is 1000. So either you are exaggerating or lying. 3 vokes, if you assume all Provoke II, would also take 40 seconds but a tank most likely will die at that point without any heals.

Curaga is insane threat atm and should never be used (3000-4000 depending on how much isn't over healing). I think while tanking I generate about 8000 threat per minute in the new system. Healers spam healing can generate something around 15000 in 20 seconds (and go OOM in the process).

This means? Control yourself, make tank self heal more, make DPS heal themselves etc. You cannot just crazily spam anymore.

Also Accomplice is now the strongest threat ability in the game. All DPS and all tanks should work on getting it and use on their healers on cooldown (and Chameleon afterwards). It cuts threat in half of the person you are using it on and transfers it to you, since DPS threat generation is rather small compared to tanks / healers atm the DPS can use it on healers while the tanks is on CD.

[Lerris]

Enmity is obviously not fine when provoke doesn't do what provoke is supposed to do. Manage hate? Ok. Went in to the dungeon last night. Waited 30 seconds for the tank to establish hate. I cast a cure 1. Ogre turned to me. Hate manage? yeah...fix enmity.

Provoke does do what it's supposed to do. It doesn't do what you expect it to do. There's a difference.

Mammet fight was not broken and neither was the Airship Fight. They were just hard.

Opinions. Regardless, they were changed years later so it doesn't even matter. I also retracted one of my statements about the r45 dungeon so that need not be discussed anymore =)

I beat the entirety of CoP as paladin. Prior to any of the nerfs that were applied. 6 tries for mammets, second try for airship. I don't believe any of the fights were broken.

[zaviermhigo]

Yeah people need to get off their high horse about easy mode though, this isn't hard mode, this is mp sink mode, its not even mp management actually, its just a sink. most of the people complaining didn't think the game was hard before, and wanted it to get harder, and every idiot on the forums says "you QQ cause its not ez mode", it really makes you look stupid when you cop things down to that simple when someone posts more than 5 things about what he/she really didn't like that were pretty constructive, that same "tldr" "QQezmode" guy, will go flame someone in another forum about "not being constructive" which is ironic.

The number one problem with this forum is people cannot just sit back and say "people didn't like this patch, well we all disagree sometimes" instead they were like "omg i love this patch and every effing has to"

You bring up valid points, the ogre though I heard that items help a huge deal in this fight, but nothing can be done about mage wipe unless you've done it before and are ready for it haha. I bet they will nerf the dungeons, but to the point where those asking for a small nerf go "OMG WTF, this was too much of a nerf"

Also for a battle system as healer, saying let the tank and dps heal themselves from time to time is not okay to us. Just like saying "let the mage take hate to use barbs" still irks tanks to no end. In XI the PLD would cure himself to gain hate, it wasn't even a real cure, it was just for enmity, in XIV the tank/dd would be healing themselves for legit reasons, and I'm not okay with that, a healer in the game should be able to manage all curing with at least single target cures, and manage hate properly to the point where the dd/tank doesn't have to cure themselves or else enmity is broken imo. A game should never revolve around a cure every now and then that is 60% less potent, as a legitimate strategy, that dd/tank self cure is "oh shit moment" only.

[Madruk]

You don't have to heal yourself to maintain hate....

It helps but it's not a core factor to it.

[Renshi]

Suggest again that they have to nerf the dungeon and I will f*cking kill you.
They told it was DIFFICULT, and that's what everybody here wanted. Now get your party up with your best men and women, Go there and make chops out of those monsters!

[Raim]

Lets try to recap what is going on here.

1. Players are basing their nerfs and buffs based on only 1-2 encounters, because those are the current 'endgame.'
2. Bad players run in front of the tank.
3. Bad players stand next to the ghosts (No, they do NOT one shot you. Stop exaggerating).
4. Bad melee DPS stand RIGHT next to the bosses when they CHARGE THEIR 5 SECOND LONG AoE SKILL instead of walking away.
5. Melee DPS constantly standing in front/Behind of bosses known to have frontal and reverse cone attacks, EVERY time.
6. Mages and Ranged DPS seeing a 'red hate bar' and doesn't slow down or stop attacking.

Did I get it all?

[Mioko]

Dubont you and your group just suck. Mp management and enmity is fine i agree with a small tweak in helping gld's maintain hate but our shell kills ogre everytime we recently 6 manned it and have killed batraal its you not the mechanics of the game