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    Lufir's Avatar
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    Lufir Lumini
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    Leviathan
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Pylfer View Post
    I was referring to the NIN maintaining 350DPS+ in the fight. 350, coupled with the +10% damage that everyone gets, coupled with the fact that it happens every 60 seconds may or may not out weigh the amount of damage that DRG (or MNK even) may be able to bring :/
    In most raids, Ninjas will only be able to Trick Attack once, at the start of battle. So, they won't be able to consistently reapply the +10 damage buff. Trick Attack requires Hide and Hide is only usable outside of combat. Therefore, NIN won't be as desired in raids for that simple fact.
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    Xanthe Dreadcasque
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    Gilgamesh
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Lufir View Post
    In most raids, Ninjas will only be able to Trick Attack once, at the start of battle. So, they won't be able to consistently reapply the +10 damage buff. Trick Attack requires Hide and Hide is only usable outside of combat. Therefore, NIN won't be as desired in raids for that simple fact.

    =_= Suiton let's them use Sneak Attack, or Trick Attack without Hide.
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    Vahn Vana'diel
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    Hyperion
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    Blacksmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lufir View Post
    In most raids, Ninjas will only be able to Trick Attack once, at the start of battle. So, they won't be able to consistently reapply the +10 damage buff. Trick Attack requires Hide and Hide is only usable outside of combat. Therefore, NIN won't be as desired in raids for that simple fact.
    Suiton lets you to SATA without Hide.
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    Last edited by zar; 10-28-2014 at 12:37 PM. Reason: beaten to it

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    Lufir Lumini
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by zar View Post
    Suiton lets you to SATA without Hide.
    Where can I find that info? The patch notes just say water damage with a potency of 180. Additional effect: Suiton. 10s duration.
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    Kuroyasha Tenshi
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    Gilgamesh
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Lufir View Post
    Where can I find that info? The patch notes just say water damage with a potency of 180. Additional effect: Suiton. 10s duration.
    https://imgur.com/a/DrIQK Can find it there. Info is gained from patch notes along with analysis of past videos that show the hotbars. This is the whole reason Suiton gives an effect that lasts 10s on the user.
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    Saizou Kirigakure
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    Mateus
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    Rogue Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lufir View Post
    Where can I find that info? The patch notes just say water damage with a potency of 180. Additional effect: Suiton. 10s duration.
    We are committing a logical fallacy while assuming this since we actually do not know to 100%, but... We assume that Suiton (Water) grants you "Hide" without using "Hide", so to say.

    Edit: Oh cool! So... seems like we DO know. Sweet!
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    Last edited by Zanmato; 10-28-2014 at 12:53 PM.
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