Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[odintius]

[QUOTE=VahnValbosce;2518845]QUOTE]

In the end it going to be this (easy---->*Normal*<------Hard) not overly easy as people claim omg there nerfing it to the ground also not omg it soooo hard I can't complete it going to somewhere in the middle and both sides need to come to terms with that.

[VahnValbosce]

The newer players and newbies want to earn their clear as much as anyone else, they just want a chance to be in a party to do it.

Not even going to bother arguing with you.

This has NOTHING to do with how "new players" can't get a clear for Turn 5 coil, because they are being excluded from groups due to so-called "elitist jerks" which MOST of you think that the Majority of this games population consists of.

This Entire Thread, has EVERYTHING to do with people wanting Raid Nerfs to come because "Coil is too hard for me, so lets Nerf it plz"

If you cannot understand that then I'm not sure why you're even posting in this thread...? I'll repeat, it is not a game mechanic problem that someone is a JERK and excludes a "new player with 100 myth bonus" from a Party Finder Group. That is a community problem, a social problem, whatever you want to call it, but maybe just MAYBE that can be fixed if everyone worked together and did their part and were less Passive Aggressive toward eachother (THIS WOULD HELP ALOT) then maybe this topic wouldn't have come up in the first place.

[Audacity]

[Nahaara]

They've said way ahead of time that when new content comes out they nerf the previous content to allow players that were still at that stage to catch up, get used to it or find a new MMO.

[Stanelis]

It kind of shows who the vocal minority are to me when the forums are littered with people whining about difficulty but when a fan gathering is held the true feelings are much more obvious.

Actually people who attend the fanfest are the most dedicated players (willing to pay the amount of money + the trip + the hotel). Therefore the vocal minority were in fact the people who booed the nerf announcement.

Nerfing the previous content is a necessity in a game with a vertical progression : if you don't do it it makes life a lot harder for people who raid at top level (because it is harder to recruit new players, see how wildstar fared with the attunements). Therefore it is this solution or you remove the need to complete T5/T9 to enter bcoil 2 and 3.

[odintius]

Not even going to bother arguing with you.

This has NOTHING to do with how "new players" can't get a clear for Turn 5 coil, because they are being excluded from groups due to so-called "elitist jerks" which MOST of you think that the Majority of this games population consists of.

This Entire Thread, has EVERYTHING to do with people wanting Raid Nerfs to come because "Coil is too hard for me, so lets Nerf it plz".

That what the topic has devovled to over the course of pages neither side have all the facts we over simplify the topic pointing out single thing to benifit either point of views ignoring the other point of view even though it more complicated that wraping it around that one single opinion. It come down to what gamer want most enough people are just asking a normal type fight while other side like it as it is.

Your going to have the same challege pretty much after each patch/expansion while the other play on a normal version and have the type of fun they want that simple really. Honsetly we wouldn't be having this discussion if this was a single player game were it have those modes alrdy in place Yoshi is treating this as another title of final fantasy so their will be those that just like to play it on what setting they want really that what I get from people asking for this really.

[NyarukoW]

Not even going to bother arguing with you.

I pretty sure you are not going to keep your word. How many times have you said you are done with this thread?

This has NOTHING to do with how "new players" can't get a clear for Turn 5 coil, because they are being excluded from groups due to so-called "elitist jerks" which MOST of you think that the Majority of this games population consists of.

Really?

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No, if you haven't cleared turn 5 by now, you're bad. ...

Yet you have posts like these. And in game I see plenty of PFs asking for T5 cleared before. Well darn how is the newer player going to get a clear? And this is T5 with echo, and they can't tolerate a dozen of wipes, whereas without echo you'd need 10 dozen wipes.

This Entire Thread, has EVERYTHING to do with people wanting Raid Nerfs to come because "Coil is too hard for me, so lets Nerf it plz"

That your false interpretation and repsentation of the matter. SE will make the content more accessible because it better for the newer players and the experienced a like when people put in the effort and get a clear after one dozen wipes instead of 10 dozen wipes. That is really how far SE is moving the bar, really.


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...[*]7 months is plenty of time. If you're complaining you have no time, then you're clearly playing the wrong game. MMORPGs are timesinks.
rest of post is just pointless rants...

Obviously SE disagrees with your assessment. They are happy with players that subscribe but doesn't occupy their servers 100% of the time, and SE will facilitate their access to newer content and not spoon feeding them.

[RyuDragnier]

People need to realize that the -need- for a static party is going to end come 2.4 with the removal of the lockout. One of the big reasons that it is so hard to find a group right now is because of the lockout keeping people from helping others. Once removed I can pretty much guarantee that, just like when the lockout was removed from 1-5, there will be a much larger amount of players for both learning and kill groups popping up in the PF. Not only that but people will have a much easier time practicing the fights because they can queue for them via DF (hopefully solo) and simply pick whichever fight they are interested in learning.

At the end of the day we can't stop the echo, it's coming whether people like it or not and it still won't carry a group through without the requirement of learning mechanics. Personally, I don't want to see the actual mechanics removed/nerfed because in my opinion they are fun, intuitive and challenging. Nothing else in this game has mechanics quite as hard as coil and I feel like it's healthy for a game to have a good mix of easy/hard content. It gives players something to work on long term as well as something they can do in the short term in a more relaxed setting.

This is the thing some of us are trying to point out. Echo won't change a thing for these fights, if you don't know the dance, you won't succeed. As for mechanic changes, odds are they'll probably adjust the time frequency between the mechanics (most likely change), give a bit more time to adjust to them, or just outright lower the punishment factor...because I don't like seeing mechanics removed from things, the AK nerf made me realize that.

[Velox]

I'm starting to love this thread more and more. Now it's evolved into the "I want to be spoonfed everything" camp and the "I want to remain a special butterfly" camp throwing their own feces at eachother.

I don't even care if Coil is nerfed or not, as of now this thread is so much more entertaining than playing the game
Keep at it people, I need to get my $13 worth this month.

[JTribal]

Cant really show progress when THEY DONT LET US INTO THE GROUPS TO BEGIN WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm gonna have to ask you to calm down please.