Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[Titor]

You're probably going to get access to i120 and i130 gear, as well as a consistent 15% Echo Buff for each turn in coil. That is already a HUGE NERF to 2nd coil, Why do you really need more??????...

I am not sure how having 15% more damage and healing would stop many of the one-shot or wipe mechanics that exist in second coil. Especially in DF. My schedule is too erratic to allow for a static. Why do you need old content to remain relevant? Why would you need this i110 gear? I highly doubt that you and your static, or many statics at all, are going to set aside an hour or two every so often to get some old gear that you all probably already have when instead you could be learning or practicing final coil and Shiva Ex.

Also, in relation to your edit, I would think that nearly halfing the price of Second coil is a pretty big cost reduction, though still not so affordable. And yes, they do deserve it, they had BiS gear for months, along with all those bragging rights and gear. I am not sure why this is still relevant when there is new content with higher level gear and new BiS. A few months after final coil is out, I do not think anyone will be using any of their high allagan gear and probably not running second coil anymore. I am not sure why they would have to keep this silent achievement to themself (No titles, not wearing any gear, whatnot)

[VahnValbosce]

Why would you need this i110 gear?

You are clearly neglecting the whole point of this topic. And I'm done "discussing" topics with people on these forums. Anyways, the main point here is that because you can't work on something, you want to wave money at it and get it, instead of putting in the required effort to obtain whatever it is you want.

If you seriously don't think i120/i130 gear + 15% echo buff is enough, then wait till you fight Turn 7 and realize how much MORE difficult a fight it will be when the person who got petrified is not killed in 1 hit. Goodluck with that, but you personally can't understand how that would make it more difficult, because you don't take the time to understand or learn mechanics in the first place.

I just want to say this again: You do Realize that people spend MONTHS with a static trying to clear 2nd coil right? They deserve the win, because they spent time Working HARD to get their clear.

[Titor]

Anyways, the main point here is that because you can't work on something, you want to wave money at it and get it, instead of putting in the required effort to obtain whatever it is you want..

You just told me to throw money at it if I cannot get a clear, then say it is stupid to throw money at it to get a clear. Lolwhat.

Also please read my post above yours. I know I can one shot t7 at this point. I have been in about 30 'clear' parties in the last month and a half. It is other people messing up, not me. The 'farm' groups will not take me due to myth bonus. PUGs mess up. Short of quitting my job and other activities to join a dedicated static to meet their schedules, what else can I do?

[Riepah]

Short of quitting my job and other activities to join a dedicated static to meet their schedules, what else can I do?

Fall on your knees and marvel at the glorious, radiant raiders, of course. They're so amazing and special because they have 7 other people who know the fights at a schedule that is convenient for them.

[VahnValbosce]

Short of quitting my job and other activities to join a dedicated static to meet their schedules, what else can I do?

Fall on your knees and marvel at the glorious, radiant raiders, of course. They're so amazing and special because they have 7 other people who know the fights at a schedule that is convenient for them.

LOL... My Static spent 4 hours per week, 4 hours in 1 week! That's NOTHING! And we beat Turn 6 in 2 weeks, beat Turn 7 in 2 weeks, Turn 8 took another 2 weeks of progression. And that is very Average progression, we were a Social/Casual group, not even hardcore AT ALL, we would joke around in Teamspeak all the time and laugh about dumb crap. We Weren't Even Hardcore!!!

Your schedule is SO cramped up that you can't find a static to join that spends 4 hours PER WEEK, dude... Why even subscribe to this game if you can't spend 4 hours per week playing it???

[Magis]

LOL... My Static spent 4 hours per week, 4 hours in 1 week! That's NOTHING! And we beat Turn 6 in 2 weeks, beat Turn 7 in 2 weeks, Turn 8 took another 2 weeks of progression. And that is very Average progression, we were a Social/Casual group, not even hardcore AT ALL, we would joke around in Teamspeak all the time and laugh about dumb crap. We Weren't Even Hardcore!!!

Your schedule is SO cramped up that you can't find a static to join that spends 4 hours PER WEEK, dude... Why even subscribe to this game if you can't spend 4 hours per week playing it???

Same here. We do coil for 2-3 hours, 1-2 times a week and are currently on Turn 8. We started when patch 2.3 landed and made a lot of progress.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Also please read my post above yours. I know I can one shot t7 at this point. I have been in about 30 'clear' parties in the last month and a half. It is other people messing up, not me. The 'farm' groups will not take me due to myth bonus. PUGs mess up. Short of quitting my job and other activities to join a dedicated static to meet their schedules, what else can I do?

I know how this feels. I was in a static group doing T6. Four weeks go by, and I know the fight like the back of my hand. Other members were still dying to Blighted, Acid Rain and even chains, screwing the party up each time. It is incredibly frustrating to know you can beat something because you have learned the mechanics, but don't get a win because of others who haven't.

I ended up leaving and moving servers. Within a day on the new server, I joined a random Party Finder group and beat it with no issues at all. I also beat T7 within 2 days of getting in and practicing.

[VahnValbosce]

You just told me to throw money at it if I cannot get a clear, then say it is stupid to throw money at it to get a clear. Lolwhat.

You misunderstood me YET again.

I didn't say it was stupid to throw money at something, I simply said that is what you're doing.

The stupid part is "Nerfing Content" because a few players don't spend time or "have time" to work on something. All these excuses about 100 myth message too... You seriously cannot ask a clear group that you got to like 5% or something, or you can ask them to join and tell them you know all the mechanics and you're dedicated to get the win, if you don't perform you can just have them replace you. WHY CANT YOU DO THAT? If you can't do that in-game work, then it really does sound like Subscription money bribery and waving money at people.

[Aethaeryn]

You misunderstood me YET again.

I didn't say it was stupid to throw money at something, I simply said that is what you're doing.

The stupid part is "Nerfing Content" because a few players don't spend time or "have time" to work on something. All these excuses about 100 myth message too... You seriously cannot ask a clear group that you got to like 5% or something, or you can ask them to join and tell them you know all the mechanics and you're dedicated to get the win, if you don't perform you can just have them replace you. WHY CANT YOU DO THAT? If you can't do that in-game work, then it really does sound like Subscription money bribery and waving money at people.

Settle down. Bolding every other line and mashing your capslock key is not necessary to get your point across.

Also, I'm sure it's a lot more than 'a few' people who do not have time or the drive to spend months learning coil. As I and many others already said in this thread, MMOs almost always ease old content when new content is added. I'm not arguing whether or not this is a good thing, but Yoshida said that this would be happening before 2.0 was even released. You can argue it until your face turns blue, but nothing is going to change about this.

People have been arguing this approach to MMORPGs for over 10 years. If you don't ease up the difficulty of content, some players become left behind and can never catch up, and then they unsubscribe from the game. New players coming to the game would also have a lot more trouble catching up. Fewer subscriptions = slower content updates, which would be bad for everyone. If you want to hold back less-skilled players, new players, and people with significantly less time to play, there are plenty of other kinds of games out there that make this possible.

Everyone was warned that older content would be made easier with the arrival of new content. You have chosen to subscribe and keep playing anyway. Attacking people here who don't play the game the same way you do accomplishes nothing.

[Titor]

You misunderstood me YET again.

I didn't say it was stupid to throw money at something, I simply said that is what you're doing.

The stupid part is "Nerfing Content" because a few players don't spend time or "have time" to work on something. All these excuses about 100 myth message too... You seriously cannot ask a clear group that you got to like 5% or something, or you can ask them to join and tell them you know all the mechanics and you're dedicated to get the win, if you don't perform you can just have them replace you. WHY CANT YOU DO THAT? If you can't do that in-game work, then it really does sound like Subscription money bribery and waving money at people.

I will transfer to your server. Will you run with me?
Actually, do not have to transfer. I will contact you in 2.4 and we can organize a time to queue for t7 through df, you can meet up with me.