SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Bled]

It's the butthurt oldschool MMO gamers who think their archaic, out of date, NOT FUN way of leveling up by killing the same monster over and over and over is how you're supposed to level. Grinding is not fun. Nobody with a functioning brain finds it fun. They're suffering from Stockholm Syndrome because it's all their primitive minds can comprehend. Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game means you play online with other players. While this of course means you will party with them to tackle hard challenges, it does not mean you should HAVE to party with them no matter what. I should be able to kill a fucking rat my level if I want to.

Grinding is an essential mechanic of MMORPG's; if you cant deal with that or don't find that fun then i suggest you either play a platformer or find a easier MMO.

Though grinding is used to provide a "level playing field", this effect could be achieved with any time-consuming behavior that is accessible to all and provides game advancement I.E. Leves, behests, group grinds, raids, you name it... they are all grinds.

[Noir]

If you do the math. Not some stupid retarded thing you mentioned you'd realise this:

Total SP Required to hit 50 on all classes = 33,860,850

33,860,850 / 306 = 110k SP per day average.

I could (pre patch) EASILY get 110k SP lol And more often than not a lot more.

I could do a set of leves for about 100k SP.
I could then do various synths for 100k SP,

My current alch synth gives me 760SP thats only 131 synths taking about 3.2 hours at a 90s/synth.

That would net me 200k in a Day. Which split between the classes is the hit of Fatigue. Thats playing about 6-7 hours? Say 3.2hrs crafting and 3hrs leves and another hour for wasted walking and talking.

A lot more play A LOT more than that.

But now its less than that lol.

Yeah, you gave a great example. 760 synth is 5 lvls or more than your current lvl, which will make you fail 10x more. And that will go down easy when you get lvl. Use a normal xp rate like 300-350 and then we talk. I'm sure you can do even your 130 clicks for a lvl right? Everyday. Till lvl 50. Lol what a joke. Like I said, I don't care if you get 100% lvl 50 faster than anyone, just don't play stupid and explaining it was legit which wasnt. This is no a pvp game thank god, so, go get your lvls for all I care. I just don't like jerks to play as I'm cool and smarter , that's why I got there .

[Charismatic]

Grinding is an essential mechanic of MMORPG's

Grinding mobs in one spot isn't essential, there's a number of MMOs on the market that already don't have you do this. Quest grinding is far more enjoyable even though it is still grinding. Any WoW clone can show you that much.
Am I saying this is necessarily what should be done? No. I'm just saying that there's other ways to do things. I only hope that Yoshi-P and this crew are inventive enough to find one rather than having us slay 10000 of one or two enemy types all the way up FFXI style.

[Bled]

Grinding mobs in one spot isn't essential, there's a number of MMOs on the market that already don't have you do this. Quest grinding is far more enjoyable even though it is still grinding. Any WoW clone can show you that much.
Am I saying this is necessarily what should be done? No. I'm just saying that there's other ways to do things. I only hope that Yoshi-P and this crew are inventive enough to find one rather than having us slay 10000 of one or two enemy types all the way up FFXI style.

It is what it is, i don't care if I'm killing three different mobs or if im killing one... its all a grind and there is no way around it. The sooner people stop trying to pretend that certain things are not a grind the sooner we can move onto important fun and valuable content that breaks up the monotone of a grind.

But whatever to each their own

[Kensei]

You've explained it to him, with numbers. Others have explained it to him, with numbers. Still others have explained it to him, with common sense. Multiple times, across multiple pages. Notice how he's not responded to nor even acknowledged a single one of any of those posts? It's not getting through. His mind is shut.

Kensei's not getting it because Kensei doesn't want to get it. He wants to continue living on in his personal little world where everything is exactly how he sees it.

Following on your theme of the situation in pictures... This one sums up Kensei's behavior perfectly.

Either that or, again, he's flat out trolling at this point.

WTF are you talking about? I have explained it a hundred times. I posted a few pages back that I would no longer reply to people who claim that SP/hour is the same now as it was before patch because it simply is not true. It is you along with your supporters who simply refuse to understand. You keep denying the facts, you keep ignoring everyone else who post in the same situation, you act like I am the only person in the world who has a problem with this. You are so worried with proving me wrong that you don't read.

The people you are agreeing with themselves have acknowledged that SP was reduced but they say it was for balancing. Which means they have yet to get the point.

I have explained as if you guys were 5 years old why we were lied to and yet you are the ones who simply do not understand. I want to keep living in my little world? What world? You think I want to waste my Saturday explaining to people something simpler than 2+2=4? I have explained it in the simplest of terms humanly possible and you simply cannot see past "I gotta prove him wrong to seem smart" Get over yourselves.

If according to you guys SP/hour gains are exactly the same or better than before then that's great for you! WTF are you still posting here? If I'm crazy and dumb and don't know how to play why the hell do you keep coming back to my thread? If the game is so perfect go play!

[Cichy]

Grinding mobs in one spot isn't essential, there's a number of MMOs on the market that already don't have you do this. Quest grinding is far more enjoyable even though it is still grinding. Any WoW clone can show you that much.
Am I saying this is necessarily what should be done? No. I'm just saying that there's other ways to do things. I only hope that Yoshi-P and this crew are inventive enough to find one rather than having us slay 10000 of one or two enemy types all the way up FFXI style.

Alot of people here only played XI and they only know one way. Grind till cap with barely any content and once you're there get gear. New gen MMO's are moving toward doing more and more content as you go to get away from his and give the user far more enjoyable experience. Quests are a big part of that but as it is in 14 they already a fail. Though it's nice to see SP reward for completing them, it's still far too difficult to seek out the quest and than finish it to claim your reward. It's a time sink that doesnt reward appropriately for the time or effort spent and you're better of just soloing mobs instead.

[sammy]

man i was 3/4 of the way to lvling glad from 30-31. I come on day after the patch, did the first 4 quests and leveled up JUST from handing quests in. I didn't even use the glad during the quests lol.

Yeah whatever the took sp away from leves and stuff but go in a dungeon and fight ur way through and u get crazy enough sp just cause theres so many freakin monsters!!! And its actually FUN. Instead of going through a bunch of leves mindlessly getting crazy SP but falling asleep cause there's twice as many ppl as u actually need, the dungeons are actually challenging and if I may say, REALLY friggin fun. Awesome music and I think the battle system's really improved. I'm back doing archer the way I wanted to in the first place, standing in the back doing crazy damage while avoiding gettin hit, instead of err..... tanking? Yea. Just wanna say thank you SE for the balancing, and the crazy content. Havin so much fun :3

[Bled]

Alot of people here only played XI and they only know one way. Grind till cap with barely any content and once you're there get gear. New gen MMO's are moving toward doing more and more content as you go to get away from his and give the user far more enjoyable experience. Quests are a big part of that but as it is in 14 they already a fail. Though it's nice to see SP reward for completing them, it's still far too difficult to seek out the quest and than finish it to claim your reward. It's a time sink that doesnt reward appropriately for the time or effort spent and you're better of just soloing mobs instead.

I have played a large number of MMO's and last i checked they all had a grind, some focused in other ways then others.

WOW- grind off of mobs or turn in an obscure amount of boring quests.

FFXI- party grind mobs (which i didn't mind, made a lot of friends and there was a lot of accountability in knowing your job)

AION- same as WoW

RIFT- same as WoW

DCUO- so far i have had the most fun with the grind in this game, but it was more difficult to make friends because all content was solo able.

If these are not your next gen MMO's and you are referring to Guild Wars 2, Blade and Soul, SWTOR, and so on they are not even release yet, so lets not count our chickens just yet.

[Cichy]

I have played a large number of MMO's and last i checked they all had a grind, some focused in other ways then others.

WOW- grind off of mobs or turn in an obscure amount of boring quests.

FFXI- party grind mobs (which i didn't mind, made a lot of friends and there was a lot of accountability in knowing your job)

AION- same as WoW

RIFT- same as WoW

DCUO- so far i have had the most fun with the grind in this game, but it was more difficult to make friends because all content was solo able.

If these are not your next gen MMO's and you are referring to Guild Wars 2, Blade and Soul, SWTOR, and so on they are not even release yet, so lets not count our chickens just yet.

I'm not saying trying to say they dont have grind, it's just that the grind there is more varied and not limited to exp party. WoW and Aion arnt exactly new MMO's either.

[Bled]

I'm not saying trying to say they dont have grind, it's just that the grind there is more varied and not limited to exp party. WoW and Aion arnt exactly new MMO's either.

I understand what your saying, i just want people to realize the grind is in every MMORPG and we need to stop stressing on the god dam* grind and focus on fun, relevant, valuable, rewarding content that breaks up the monotone of a grind. When there is constant fun content all throughout the game, the grind becomes more of an after thought.