SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Preypacer]

You're right. It didn't give the same sp/hour behest did. It gave more. Way more.

Again, you're not even halfway through the leveling curve, you completely lack the tools to judge.

Repeating like a mantra that behest were the best way to level doesn't make it true.

You've explained it to him, with numbers. Others have explained it to him, with numbers. Still others have explained it to him, with common sense. Multiple times, across multiple pages. Notice how he's not responded to nor even acknowledged a single one of any of those posts? It's not getting through. His mind is shut.

Kensei's not getting it because Kensei doesn't want to get it. He wants to continue living on in his personal little world where everything is exactly how he sees it.

Following on your theme of the situation in pictures... This one sums up Kensei's behavior perfectly.

Either that or, again, he's flat out trolling at this point.

[Kensei]

You've explained it to him, with numbers. Others have explained it to him, with numbers. Still others have explained it to him, with common sense. Multiple times, across multiple pages. Notice how he's not responded to nor even acknowledged a single one of any of those posts? It's not getting through. His mind is shut.

Kensei's not getting it because Kensei doesn't want to get it. He wants to continue living on in his personal little world where everything is exactly how he sees it.

Following on your theme of the situation in pictures... This one sums up Kensei's behavior perfectly.

Either that or, again, he's flat out trolling at this point.

WTF are you talking about? I have explained it a hundred times. I posted a few pages back that I would no longer reply to people who claim that SP/hour is the same now as it was before patch because it simply is not true. It is you along with your supporters who simply refuse to understand. You keep denying the facts, you keep ignoring everyone else who post in the same situation, you act like I am the only person in the world who has a problem with this. You are so worried with proving me wrong that you don't read.

The people you are agreeing with themselves have acknowledged that SP was reduced but they say it was for balancing. Which means they have yet to get the point.

I have explained as if you guys were 5 years old why we were lied to and yet you are the ones who simply do not understand. I want to keep living in my little world? What world? You think I want to waste my Saturday explaining to people something simpler than 2+2=4? I have explained it in the simplest of terms humanly possible and you simply cannot see past "I gotta prove him wrong to seem smart" Get over yourselves.

If according to you guys SP/hour gains are exactly the same or better than before then that's great for you! WTF are you still posting here? If I'm crazy and dumb and don't know how to play why the hell do you keep coming back to my thread? If the game is so perfect go play!

[Abriael]

WTF are you talking about? I have explained it a hundred times. I posted a few pages back that I would no longer reply to people who claim that SP/hour is the same now as it was before patch because it simply is not true. It is you along with your supporters who simply refuse to understand. You keep denying the facts, you keep ignoring everyone else who post in the same situation, you act like I am the only person in the world who has a problem with this. You are so worried with proving me wrong that you don't read.

The people you are agreeing with themselves have acknowledged that SP was reduced but they say it was for balancing. Which means they have yet to get the point.

I have explained as if you guys were 5 years old why we were lied to and yet you are the ones who simply do not understand. I want to keep living in my little world? What world? You think I want to waste my Saturday explaining to people something simpler than 2+2=4? I have explained it in the simplest of terms humanly possible and you simply cannot see past "I gotta prove him wrong to seem smart" Get over yourselves.

If according to you guys SP/hour gains are exactly the same or better than before then that's great for you! WTF are you still posting here? If I'm crazy and dumb and don't know how to play why the hell do you keep coming back to my thread? If the game is so perfect go play!

Looks like you need to be made aware of the undeniable fact that you're saying "I'm right because I say so!"

Unfortunately for your plainly false points, continuously repeating to yourself that you're right won't magically make it true.

[LuxLex]

Unfortunately for your plainly false points, continuously repeating to yourself that you're right won't magically make it true.

And what you're saying is different, how?

[Abriael]

And what you're saying is different, how?

The difference is that he goes around blabbering that it's IMPOSSIBLE to exp faster in other means that in behest. I and many others say that it's possible, because we've done it so many times that it isn't even funny.

We say we're right because we've experienced it. He has no experience to back up his claims, and still denies evidence.

[Kensei]

The difference is that he goes around blabbering that it's IMPOSSIBLE to exp faster in other means that in behest. I and many others say that it's possible, because we've done it so many times that it isn't even funny.

We say we're right because we've experienced it. He has no experience to back up his claims, and still denies evidence.

You either read what I wrote wrong are just lying to try and save face. My point from the OP has always been that Yoshi said ranking up wouldn't be nerfed. Ranking up is slower due to less SP gains now than it was pre-patch. Slower SP gains = slower ranking up = nerfed ranking up. This has to be like 30th time I have mentioned this.

[AarosLunos]

You either read what I wrote wrong are just lying to try and save face. My point from the OP has always been that Yoshi said ranking up wouldn't be nerfed. Ranking up is slower due to less SP gains now than it was pre-patch. Slower SP gains = slower ranking up = nerfed ranking up. This has to be like 30th time I have mentioned this.

You are one dense . . . individual. We have provided proof to refute your claims, but you ignore it because only you feel your point is valid. You are a fool.

[Kensei]

Looks like you need to be made aware of the undeniable fact that you're saying "I'm right because I say so!"

Unfortunately for your plainly false points, continuously repeating to yourself that you're right won't magically make it true.

Nope. If you go and play the game SP gain has been reduced from pre-patch. I'm not right because I say so, I'm right because that's exactly what happened. You add nothing to the topic and have been trying to prove me wrong which you can't because I deal with facts.. If you like the game how it is go play it and leave those with issues to discuss them.

[Preypacer]

WTF are you talking about? I have explained it a hundred times. I posted a few pages back that I would no longer reply to people who claim that SP/hour is the same now as it was before patch because it simply is not true. It is you along with your supporters who simply refuse to understand. You keep denying the facts, you keep ignoring everyone else who post in the same situation, you act like I am the only person in the world who has a problem with this. You are so worried with proving me wrong that you don't read.

The people you are agreeing with themselves have acknowledged that SP was reduced but they say it was for balancing. Which means they have yet to get the point.

I have explained as if you guys were 5 years old why we were lied to and yet you are the ones who simply do not understand. I want to keep living in my little world? What world? You think I want to waste my Saturday explaining to people something simpler than 2+2=4? I have explained it in the simplest of terms humanly possible and you simply cannot see past "I gotta prove him wrong to seem smart" Get over yourselves.

If according to you guys SP/hour gains are exactly the same or better than before then that's great for you! WTF are you still posting here? If I'm crazy and dumb and don't know how to play why the hell do you keep coming back to my thread? If the game is so perfect go play!

Pot, meet kettle.

You've made assertions. You haven't backed up any of them with actual data or numbers. You haven't even attempted to. Your arguments basically amount to, "this is how it is, because I say it is".

By comparison, from the other side has been post, after post, after post, after post, after post from people (with far more time and hands-on experience in the game than you in some cases, incidentally) providing actual numbers of what they gain in terms of xp per hour.

Those people have asked you if your rate in Behests have matched theirs. From what I've seen, you've failed to meet a single one of them. Instead, you ignore direct challenges and keep cherry-picking statements that are "easy targets".

From where I'm sitting, reading all the back and forth, I'm seeing a lot of actual data being provided by those on one side, and a whole lot of unsupported assertions being made on yours.

Seems to me like you've got no argument, you're out-classed by people with more hands-on experience with the game and better data to back it up... and you know it. But, for whatever reason, you won't accept it, and continue to cling to your talking points... all so you can accuse Yoshi of lying to you.

Tsk. Tsk.

If you're going to make an assertion, especially with as much vehemence as you are, you should be prepared to back it up. Others have backed up their claims. You have failed, repeatedly, to back up yours. And, no, repeating the same thing over and over is not "backing it up".

This isn't about me choosing sides. I tend to lean toward what ever side has the more solid case and provides the best supporting data. In this case, it ain't you. If you had come in here showing data that backed up your claims... it'd be a whole different story.

[Kensei]

Pot, meet kettle.

You've made assertions. You haven't backed up any of them with actual data or numbers. You haven't even attempted to. Your arguments basically amount to, "this is how it is, because I say it is".

By comparison, from the other side has been post, after post, after post, after post, after post from people (with far more time and hands-on experience in the game than you in some cases, incidentally) providing actual numbers of what they gain in terms of xp per hour.

Those people have asked you if your rate in Behests have matched theirs. From what I've seen, you've failed to meet a single one of them. Instead, you ignore direct challenges and keep cherry-picking statements that are "easy targets".

From where I'm sitting, reading all the back and forth, I'm seeing a lot of actual data being provided by those on one side, and a whole lot of unsupported assertions being made on yours.

Seems to me like you've got no argument, you're out-classed by people with more hands-on experience with the game and better data to back it up... and you know it. But, for whatever reason, you won't accept it, and continue to cling to your talking points... all so you can accuse Yoshi of lying to you.

Tsk. Tsk.

If you're going to make an assertion, especially with as much vehemence as you are, you should be prepared to back it up. Others have backed up their claims. You have failed, repeatedly, to back up yours. And, no, repeating the same thing over and over is not "backing it up".

This isn't about me choosing sides. I tend to lean toward what ever side has the more solid case and provides the best supporting data. In this case, it ain't you. If you had come in here showing data that backed up your claims... it'd be a whole different story.

If you are playing the same game I am you wouldn't need proof because you would have already experienced it when you played after the patch. All the assertions I have made can be verified if you just log in and do a leve, join a behest, or simply kill a mob. They have also been backed up by many other poster. If you want to continue to ignore that go ahead but don't say I don't back up my claims.

How has the data those you worship been backed up other than their claims? All the numbers they have provided are because they say so. My statements can be verified if you simply log in and compare SP gains versus pre-patch. Why do you ignore every other poster with the same issues I have mentioned?

I do not cherry pick. I just won't keep beating the dead horse. If you have been reading every post I have been having to repeat myself a lot. Every statement they make can be answered with something I have posted several times before. Many other posters have posted their experiences pre-patch and post-patch and their numbers are very similar to what I had previously stated. Again the one cherry picking is you who apparently hasn't seen a single other person post other than myself and those you for some reason decided were right.

How would you know their data is actual? Oh that's right. You don't.

Nobody has outclassed me. What does them having Ranks 40s or 50s have to do with all the nerfs that, again, can be verified if you just log in and actually play? They themselves have said behest was too easy/fast. Meaning that indeed SP gains were nerfed which means Yoshi lied which is the whole point. Had Yoshi not made that statement this thread wouldn't exist.

The problem is that their data is the one that is "because they say so". My claims only require you log in and play. You keep mentioning how you chose their side because they had the better argument? That's pathetic. You are effectively taking it on faith. Way to get credibility.