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[Atreus]

*sigh* I can't tell if you're being serious anymore. Am I being trolled?

The "aggressive attitude" that you're claiming was only triggered after you made this silly comment:

-Also, it is good to take note that if a PLD is doing these numbers, they aren't playing their class right. If you want to DPS, then play a DPS class. Sure you don't get hit a lot as a PLD, but you sure as hell won't do as much damage as an actual DPS class.

It was then I realized you have no idea what you're talking about, and don't read well. And don't play a victim and act like implications weren't made, please.

That aside, in no post did I state it could do more than an actual DPS (assuming said DPS is played to its maximum). The only sentence remotely close was concerning how monk and dragoon have more difficulty maintaining these numbers, to which some of us then started discussing solutions. So who exactly is missing the point?

As for the situation... I think it's sort of implied the victors of said encounters were us. No, limit breaks weren't used. Really? So you're telling me a party of 8 cannot deal with two parties without limit break? I'm going to assume that's because you haven't done that either, so you're claiming impossibility. Seems to be the root of your argument here. Parties in question more than likely do suck, but you wanna know a crazy little weakness in two-party stacking? The difficulty in cross-party healing for most. Go ahead and ask anyone that runs a regular premade. Please, ask them. The traveling, btw, was from Markets, to the Heliodrome (sadly we just missed the node), then straight down to Storm Outpost.

To any real PLD's, any and all of them will notice a good drop in their DPS if they focus on stun-locking targets as opposed to focusing on JUST DPS'ing.

Don't worry, I'm well aware of how stunlocks work. You know what's kinda cool? Liberal use of your non-GCD's in between said locks. The other point of mentioning the two parties was to point out the abundance of targets for Circle of Scorn and Glory Slash. They aren't Flares, but damage pressure is paramount, however you can get it. Know what else is neat? Auto-attacks enhanced by Sword Oath. You're right, stunlocking reduces damage (lol, real PLD's, your posts really are funny), which I guess means my damage would have been higher if I didn't. But hey, couldn't let those pesky healers escape. 8D As a caveat, though, once healers are dead, stunlocks aren't really necessary unless there's a danger or to prevent escape. As I expected, your view on performing PLD seems to be to lock everything.


So let me ask you a question now, looking at the PLD currently on your Lodestone. I assume you're intelligent enough to swap to STR accessories so skipping that, where are your 30 points put into? For the rest of your gear, do you have a BiS set for maximizing determination and crit? Do you use food? Did you maximize STR with your AP? Do you even use icarus wings when you're bleeding for TP? If yes, then you should be capable of doing the exact same, so why are you upset? If not, why are you even talking to me right now?

As I said before, I also DPS on PLD from time to time.

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Atreus said in his post (2pts in 2+ waves) which, until he clarifies

Just clarified above, my apologies if I wasn't clear!

allows room for variation once multiple tanks enter into the equation (Atreus makes mention of another tank in his premade I think)

Yes indeed, there was a MRD. He lets me handle stuns on critical targets, but you are right. Flexibility is wonderful. The other thing you are right on is variation. Just as a healer knows when it's time to DPS, so should a PLD.