SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Nero]

Oh, I didn't realize we had to work in a video game to be legit. If mindlessly killing mobs for hours day in and day out for weeks gives you some sense of accomplishment and is fun to you go right ahead bro.

Finally you understand how its going to be. Just took you 200+ Posts in this Thread.

But to make it more clear:

Its not about the work, its about dedication.

People who play together in a LS, or in a circle of Friends like it this way to see process. Afterwards people can say, "wow, look what we did, look how many sp we did with old fashioned FFXI grind style, look how we beat the Boss of the Dungeon".. and so on. That is challenge and that is how a video game have to be. Its a game.. so e-peen is allowed.

Did you play an OfflineFF? IF you did.. did you finished the Game by staying around, or doing the same Stuff over and over again? I guess not. Multiple aspects of the Game, will bring you to the Goal, not a Single one and avoiding everything else. And i can say you did nothing but fail-leve's... or you wouldnt complain now, if you would have explored the virtual world pre-patch and would have figured there is more than just 3 leves at BrokenWater.

Learn to optimize your Role, learn to manage other ways to be effective, try out different things, play with other people, get a community and make a Static-pt, put effort into it to see your own process and be proud of it what you did with your mates, enjoy different aspects of the game and also you can hate some ( you dont have to like ALL of it ), be frustrated, be happy, be down, be up.. enjoy, have fun.. and so on.

Yes that is a videogame.. if you want gain things, without doing anything for it, without beeing dedicated, without leaving one Area, without trying other things to optimize or be effective, without trying to meet new people and SP with them, without also putting so effort into it.. then this is not the Game you should play... then you should play Stuff like this:

http://www.mabuhaynet.com/games/easiest-game.php

[Kensei]

Finally you understand how its going to be. Just took you 200+ Posts in this Thread.

But to make it more clear:

Its not about the work, its about dedication.

People who play together in a LS, or in a circle of Friends like it this way to see process. Afterwards people can say, "wow, look what we did, look how many sp we did with old fashioned FFXI grind style, look how we beat the Boss of the Dungeon".. and so on. That is challenge and that is how a video game have to be. Its a game.. so e-peen is allowed.

Did you play an OfflineFF? IF you did.. did you finished the Game by staying around, or doing the same Stuff over and over again? I guess not. Multiple aspects of the Game, will bring you to the Goal, not a Single one and avoiding everything else. And i can say you did nothing but fail-leve's... or you wouldnt complain now, if you would have explored the virtual world pre-patch and would have figured there is more than just 3 leves at BrokenWater.

Learn to optimize your Role, learn to manage other ways to be effective, try out different things, play with other people, get a community and make a Static-pt, put effort into it to see your own process and be proud of it what you did with your mates, enjoy different aspects of the game and also you can hate some ( you dont have to like ALL of it ), be frustrated, be happy, be down, be up.. enjoy, have fun.. and so on.

Yes that is a videogame.. if you want gain things, without doing anything for it, without beeing dedicated, without leaving one Area, without trying other things to optimize or be effective, without trying to meet new people and SP with them, without also putting so effort into it.. then this is not the Game you should play... then you should play Stuff like this:

http://www.mabuhaynet.com/games/easiest-game.php

Wow so many people with this point of view is alarming. Seems like some people really do have all the time in the world. "It took 6 hours to rank up pre-patch that's easy mode, you are not earning it if you don't grind for at least 12 hours per rank" GTFO. Like I said those of you who get a sense of accomplishment of doing the same things than pre-patch except that now it takes 3 times as much time to rank up you got your wish so by all means go grind and feel accomplished and fulfilled.

[Nero]

Wow so many people with this point of view is alarming. Seems like some people really do have all the time in the world. "It took 6 hours to rank up pre-patch that's easy mode, you are not earning it if you don't grind for at least 12 hours per rank" GTFO. Like I said those of you who get a sense of accomplishment of doing the same things than pre-patch except that now it takes 3 times as much time to rank up you got your wish so by all means go grind and feel accomplished and fulfilled.

So many people with this view is alarming? Well yeah.. it should ring a bell that you are wrong maybe about how you think exploiting is the way to go? All the time in the World? Seriously listen.. You need 4 Hours to get 100k SP in a Combatclass.. if i would have all the time in the World i would level 20 Hours a day and not just 4 and would have everything at 50. Get real please.

6 Hours for a rankup pre-patch? i lol'd.. You are seriously doing something wrong. If you are not able to do some simple Math about how much SP you can get now a hour, i really cant help you. If it took you 6 Hours to burn 8 leves.. i really really cant help you and dont want to.

And yes i go out and grind.. i explore the Areas of the Game and will have Fun. Im sorry for all those lazy people who cant exploit anymore.. im SOOOO sorry for you. Im getting sarcastic here... <_<

[Kensei]

So many people with this view is alarming? Well yeah.. it should ring a bell that you are wrong maybe about how you think exploiting is the way to go? All the time in the World? Seriously listen.. You need 4 Hours to get 100k SP in a Combatclass.. if i would have all the time in the World i would level 20 Hours a day and not just 4 and would have everything at 50. Get real please.

6 Hours for a rankup pre-patch? i lol'd.. You are seriously doing something wrong. If you are not able to do some simple Math about how much SP you can get now a hour, i really cant help you. If it took you 6 Hours to burn 8 leves.. i really really cant help you and dont want to.

And yes i go out and grind.. i explore the Areas of the Game and will have Fun. Im sorry for all those lazy people who cant exploit anymore.. im SOOOO sorry for you. Im getting sarcastic here... <_<

Leves are not a constant source of SP. I ranked mainly on behest. Forget about specific hours if it makes you happy. Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch? Yes. Does this mean that ranking up is now slower? Yes. Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

Can I go and do other stuff for a fraction of the SP I could get pre-patch? Sure. But that's not the point of the thread.

[TheVedis]

Leves are not a constant source of SP. I ranked mainly on behest. Forget about specific hours if it makes you happy. Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch? Yes. Does this mean that ranking up is now slower? Yes. Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

Can I go and do other stuff for a fraction of the SP I could get pre-patch? Sure. But that's not the point of the thread.

stop being such a negative nannygoat

[Kensei]

stop being such a negative nannygoat

I'm negative for pointing out the facts? Then ignore this thread and tell yourself you can rank up as fast before if it makes you happy.

[Abriael]

Leves are not a constant source of SP.

And there's a LOT of other things to do when you don't have leves.

I ranked mainly on behest.

And that's the main problem. You're assuming that since they rebalanced YOUR PERSONAL favourite way of ranking up, they nerfed all progression, which is indeed largely false.

Forget about specific hours if it makes you happy. Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch? Yes. Does this mean that ranking up is now slower? Yes. Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

The fact that the SP is slower FOR YOU, because you refuse to consider anything else than your precious behest, is indeed no evidence at all that ranking in general has been nerfed. As quite a lot of people were nice enough to try and educate you on.

[SilvertearRen]

And there's a LOT of other things to do when you don't have leves.



And that's the main problem. You're assuming that since they rebalanced YOUR PERSONAL favourite way of ranking up, they nerfed all progression, which is indeed largely false.



The fact that the SP is slower FOR YOU, because you refuse to consider anything else than your precious behest, is indeed no evidence at all that ranking in general has been nerfed. As quite a lot of people were nice enough to try and educate you on.

Are you suggesting that Kensei is the exception to the rule?

Wrong. Even I am having trouble with the SP right now. Half the playerbase doesn't like the current SP generation option.

1.19 had better come fast, so we can see these changes in their full context instead of half-assed.

People need to be spoon fed:

From main page:

"Up until now, guildleves have been positioned as the heart of gameplay in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Going forward, however, guildleves will be reborn as solo-oriented content that can be enjoyed with minimal time and fuss. The changes will take place beginning with 1.18, and are scheduled to continue in future patches....

And Behest:

[dev1069] The following changes have been made to behests:

- Skill points are now awarded upon behest completion.
- Bonus points will be awarded for early completion.
- Gil rewards for behest completion have been reduced.
- Gil/Skill point bonuses will be awarded to those who complete behests in areas where there have been no participants for several cycles, or where operations have repeatedly ended in failure.


Like I said it is up to people to use their heads, and figure out how to maximize SP in many different ways, I never liked the one-trick pony anyways....

How is nerfing the SP in leves considered "encouraging for solo play"? As I see it, it just DRIVES away the solo players for the most part, because they can't justify wasting three hours on leves for an amount of SP that is less than what it was pre-patch.

[Abriael]

Are you suggesting that Kensei is the exception to the rule?

Wrong. Even I am having trouble with the SP right now. Half the playerbase doesn't like the current SP generation option.

1.19 had better come fast, so we can see these changes in their full context instead of half-assed.

So now did you talk to "half the playerbase?" Did they give you lieu to talk for them?

If you're having trouble with SP right now, you're doing it wrong, exactly like Kensei. Guess what? Many already said that they don't have such trouble.

It's quite evident that if some manage and some don't, some are doing it right and some are simply doing it wrong.

[Kensei]

And there's a LOT of other things to do when you don't have leves.



And that's the main problem. You're assuming that since they rebalanced YOUR PERSONAL favourite way of ranking up, they nerfed all progression, which is indeed largely false.



The fact that the SP is slower FOR YOU, because you refuse to consider anything else than your precious behest, is indeed no evidence at all that ranking in general has been nerfed. As quite a lot of people were nice enough to try and educate you on.

I now realize why you don't understand. You truly don't think behest was proved to be the best sp/hour gain. Nothing I can do for ignorance.