SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Xquiel]

I like the new SP system, 3 weeks to rank 50 was a very bad idea, now we have challenge and more time to spend on our classes ---> more fun
but yoshi lied to us, it's true ^.^

[Nephera]

and you guys want the cap raised to 99

[Reaujien]

Over 20 hours of QQing - think of all the SP you could have gained instead!

I didn't read the 39+ pages of QQingness, but how was SP/week on average nerfed when you no longer have the fatigue system?

[KaiKatzchen]

I never knew of the existence of that failing method until yesterday when one of you mentioned it and behest was the most efficient sp/hour gain so it was obviously the one I focused on. Why do anything else that doesn't give as much SP? It would have been dumb.

So it seems to me that the people telling you that Behest is not the best way to level, that it was leve's, are not incorrect as you have been telling them. You simply did not look deeply into the other ways of ranking up because you felt it was less sp and a waste of time. You did not know that there were other ways of gaining SP at a faster rate.

Due to this, the one way that you did rank up has been nerfed. Since you yourself said you did not know of the failing method on leves (which if you had given leves a try, I am sure you would have discovered this fact very quickly) and you only ranked up though behest I can see why you would be upset.

Maybe you should listen to others in the thread who have tried multiple ways of ranking and experimented, and the people who are figuring out the new ways post-patch to gather SP and try them. Behest is by far -not- the only way (or the best way before this patch) to rank up in this game, by saying you wouldn't try anything else that might not give as much SP seems a bit closed minded. It seems that you're set in your ranking ways and don't really want to try anything new, and some people are like that in many aspects of life and in games.

But I do hope that you can adjust and find a new way of ranking other than Behests.

Everything gives less SP like it was explained in the first post and by several other players along the pages.

I will have to disagree on this point, but from the view of a crafter/botanist.

I am a R43 Alchemist and I did four leves for my craft, two R40 and two R45. Not only did I get the same basic SP per synth as I crafted each one, but when I turned them in I got roughly a 3.2k bonus at the end for the R40’s and a 3.6k bonus for the R45’s.

So for about 30 minutes of work:

R40 Leves :::
250sp (roughly) a synth x 6 synths = 1500 x 2(for the two 40’s) = 3000

3000sp + 6400sp (3.2k for turning in each one) = 9400sp

R45 Leves :::
480sp (roughly) a synth x 8 synths = 3840 x 2 (for the two 45’s) = 7680

7680sp + 7200sp (3.6k for turning in each one) = 14880

So in all for about 30 min of work ::: 9400 + 14880 = 24,280 SP for my Alchemist.


With botany I had much of the same result, I was still getting SP per logging/harvesting that I received and then when I completed the leve I received roughly a 2k bonus for doing that. So no, in this circumstance everything does not give less SP since this new patch.

You know what's funny. That's about the 5th time since this update that I've seen people raging about something that Yoshi clearly stated would be the case in one of his newsletters.

If only people read and paid attention...

But then, not unexpected. This happens in every MMO after every major patch that changes up something in how it's played. There's a lot of people who simply don't like to step outside their comfort zone and do something different. They'll rage against change every time they're faced with it.

I agree on both accounts. It was pointed out that this would occur, so I don’t see where all the issues are coming from.

Then Mr. Level 12, please tell me what the main method of leveling is now. Since you are oh so knowledgeable.

You do realize that some people are using fake characters since SE is forcing people to show name/server/class. Also if people do show their character, you do realize that SE allows you to pick which job you wish to show? You can not assume that the character they display is their actual character.

Anyway they seem a lot more logical that most of the other people on this thread, so I’d take advice from a level 12 in this circumstance as well.

[Rinsui]

I never knew of the existence of that failing method until yesterday when one of you mentioned it and behest was the most efficient sp/hour gain so it was obviously the one I focused on. Why do anything else that doesn't give as much SP? It would have been dumb.

Well, Kensei, you more sound like a retard potato if you believe Behest was the best way to level up... With leve failing (especially the peiste one) we easily racked in 17k SP with one single leve... and with eight leves in a row (and no half-hour wait in between) ... well, do the math ^^/

Stop your childish, embarassing drama already. Maybe Yoshi did trick you into believing something that nobody else believed. Or just a few potatoes. For me (and most of us) it was *quite* clear some changes to the EXP (and MP) systems were overdue. It's called experience. Or common sense. Or realism. But the most important part is: nobody cares about how you personally feel about it.

Maybe you are too inexperienced with MMOs to understand that whenever there's an "uber" method/ability/thing, it will naturally be adjusted with the next patch? Please open up another thread titled:

[SIZE="7"]Squeenix is so mean. They lied. I hate you all. I quit.[/SIZE]

At least have some style.

[Rinsui]

Our point is: We don't care about your troubles.
We don't share them.

[Kensei]

Our point is: We don't care about your troubles.
We don't share them.

Then I'm very glad for those of you having the time of your lives. Have fun!

[Neptune]

It really is sad to see some of you defending this game.. presumably because the only thing you have to gain from it is a good game image to shop around to your friends or others. You'd have more dignity if you kept your mouths shut and your fingers off the post button.. and made helpful threads or supported some of the things on this board intended to improve the way this game relates to its fans. They lowered sp for every single thing you kill and some of you are "lathering yourselves in masochism" as someone recently said.

It took me 7 or 8 months to get Conjurer to cap by doing a lot of soloing. At this rate people are going to stop ranking up because the reward for effort is too low. That's something you defensive people should take note of. Don't prey upon people you see as whiners.. if you're strong enough to come in here and insult people use your strength to make suggestions to the dev team.

[TheVedis]

It really is sad to see some of you defending this game.. presumably because the only thing you have to gain from it is a good game image to shop around to your friends or others. You'd have more dignity if you kept your mouths shut and your fingers off the post button.. and made helpful threads or supported some of the things on this board intended to improve the way this game relates to its fans. They lowered sp for every single thing you kill and some of you are "lathering yourselves in masochism" as someone recently said.

It took me 7 or 8 months to get Conjurer to cap by doing a lot of soloing. At this rate people are going to stop ranking up because the reward for effort is too low. That's something you defensive people should take note of. Don't prey upon people you see as whiners.. if you're strong enough to come in here and insult people use your strength to make suggestions to the dev team.

you realize you just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread right?

we are giving people the solutions, they just dont want to listen to them

we arent bashing the people who are upset, we are on this 1 closed minded fool who just doesnt want to listen

[Kensei]

you realize you just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread right?

we are giving people the solutions, they just dont want to listen to them

we arent bashing the people who are upset, we are on this 1 closed minded fool who just doesnt want to listen

What solution are you giving me that makes behest now give as much sp/hour as it did before the patch? That's the point. The reason I use behest as the one point is because it was the best sp/hour before the patch and nothing right now gives comparable gains. If you think I'm close minded then why are you wasting your time in my thread?

Those who are going through the same know exactly what I mean. Those of you liking the changes go enjoy it. I hope you have lots of fun!