Shocked at the reduction in mage damage, quadruple mp cost, and lowered resources

[LuxLex]

Siphon MP, Siphon MP 2, Tranquility, Spiritbind, Radiance. Learn how to use them effectively.

Also, Con has 3 different types of 0mp cost, long ranged attacks that it can use to gather TP for Radiance.

I am sure that Neptune doesn't know anything about these abilities at all.

[Dubont]

I am sure that Neptune doesn't know anything about these abilities at all.

he probably does, but pre-patch, these were not used really...at all. Now, they actually have more importance.

[Neptune]

Siphon MP, Siphon MP 2, Tranquility, Spiritbind, Radiance. Learn how to use them effectively.

Also, Con has 3 different types of 0mp cost, long ranged attacks that it can use to gather TP for Radiance.

I have all of the above (except siphon 2) on my action bar right now. It's good, but it's not good enough. In my OP I stated that all of that was what got me to difficult solo fights where I'd have to sleep the mob to regen my MP. I didn't name all of them but that's what I was getting at. It's not going to be enough to solo, because if you get hit every 5 seconds, you need to be able to cure yourself every 5 seconds. You can't do that if you only have MP to cover less than a minute of attacks.

Out of those 3 you mentioned, 1 has a 10 sec recast, and the other 2 have 30 second recasts. It's a crime.

[Dubont]

I have all of the above (except siphon 2) on my action bar right now. It's good, but it's not good enough. In my OP I stated that all of that was what got me to difficult solo fights where I'd have to sleep the mob to regen my MP. I didn't name all of them but that's what I was getting at. It's not going to be enough to solo, because if you get hit every 5 seconds, you need to be able to cure yourself every 5 seconds. You can't do that if you only have MP to cover less than a minute of attacks.

Out of those 3 you mentioned, 1 has a 10 sec recast, and the other 2 have 30 second recasts. It's a crime.

The problem is that you are trying to solo. CON is not a good solo class just like whm, for the longest time, could not solo in FFXI. This works fine in a normal party setup, but if you are soloing, you will be getting TP from AA anyway...so I don't see the problem with radiance spam

[SuzakuCMX]

The problem is that you are trying to solo. CON is not a good solo class just like whm, for the longest time, could not solo in FFXI. This works fine in a normal party setup

Classes are for solo or small party content though, which means...

...OH NO.

[Dubont]

Classes are for solo or small party content though, which means...

...OH NO.

I see what you did. Again, the battle system isn't complete and, since this is a MMO, the MP costs will most definitely see some more adjustment. But yes, the problem is that people are still trying to solo everything...which just isn't going to happen anymore.

[SuzakuCMX]

I see what you did. Again, the battle system isn't complete and, since this is a MMO, the MP costs will most definitely see some more adjustment. But yes, the problem is that people are still trying to solo everything...which just isn't going to happen anymore.

Yes, but at this point all we know is what we have so we have to at least remind the dev team of changes such as MP rates :P If nobody told them, how would they know that players are having problems with it?

[Chezen]

Classes are for solo or small party content though, which means...

...OH NO.

Finally someone brings this up. I was about to go find the quote from Yoshi-P.

Conjurer getting a nerf is fine, but it shoud still be solo friendly, as Yoshi-P himself stated that this is what the classes would be geared for. Jobs are meant for parties. Although for my own part, I'm not as concerned about soloing an NM. Just regular monsters are fine with me. But I want it to be tough because they are always on the verge of killing me, not because I'm running out of mp at a rediculous speed.

Mages and healers already have to deal with a very low defense, and their melee might as well be a breeze blowing. Why should we have to worry about running out of firepower and/or healing power in a few casts? You don't see melee running out of hits. What makes a game fun is being able to use your skills, not sitting.

Now, there might be some items or such in the works that have not been released yet to balance this out, but it would be nice to hear about it so everyone could settle down if that be the case.

[kukurumei]

Mages and healers already have to deal with a very low defense, and their melee might as well be a breeze blowing. Why should we have to worry about running out of firepower and/or healing power in a few casts? You don't see melee running out of hits. What makes a game fun is being able to use your skills, not sitting.

Wait wait wait... you mean mages had low defense? the same mages that solo-tanked NMs? The same mages that magic darted so much? The same mages that could mana burn everything, the same mages that aoe distinction was a simple cast time annoyance?

I much be living in an unbalanced world....no wonder it was 90% quit rate.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

The problem is that you are trying to solo. CON is not a good solo class just like whm, for the longest time, could not solo in FFXI. This works fine in a normal party setup, but if you are soloing, you will be getting TP from AA anyway...so I don't see the problem with radiance spam

It's still a casual-friendly game, at least they say so.
And that's what I mean about this update taking a giant dump on playstyle. I could solo things just fine as a Con, nothing big, but at least I wasn't totally raped 95% of the time.

This is what I mean when I say the game is going down the same fail-route XI did with its classes. I'm all for promoting party play, and jobs will be good for that. But what they're doing now to Cons upsetting! I liked my ranged damage I was able to do, I liked being able to either heal or nuke, I liked that there was another mage class that could do it just as well as I could. I liked being able to make strategies for how, as a conjurer with my radial AoE, I could stand in a party situation and keep an eye on the battle.

Now? Why even give Conjurers a Job? I don't even think there's going to be an option anymore. With this update we're the only reliable healers with Curaga. It's horrible! The freedom feels like it's been removed entirely.