Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Divinemight]

I don't read the JP forums, but it appears I stand corrected. There is at least one Scholar out there who can put big numbers on the board. However, is this really all that common in JP data centers? Cause I have yet to see anything remotely close to that on Primal. So I'm more inclined to think that Tete Rouge is just a really, really good player, and that this case is an outlier rather than what's common.

Yes. It is very common for Japanse to use Scholar as dps role in solo or use WHMs spam Holy Stun to destroy other party. There are more other evidences if you spend sometime to do some reserach on it.

Also, this only impact those who on purposely play Schoalrs and White Mage as dps role. They now have to be like Marauder players, drop their HP for the dps output. Ask your self. You do not find it retard that a Scholar can surivive a lvl1 Brave like a Warrior, but output more dps than a Warrior at the same time?

[Amused]

So I'm more inclined to think that Tete Rouge is just a really, really good player, and that this case is an outlier rather than what's common.

The game should be balanced around the highest level of play, not average or below. Those levels of play are irrelevant when it comes to the subject of balance.

[Avirex92]

I would love to know what binding ability yous speak of for SCH. We have none and do not mention bliz II

[Shake0615]

The game should be balanced around the highest level of play, not average or below. Those levels of play are irrelevant when it comes to the subject of balance.

I agree. Though over the course of this game, it's not hard to make an argument that SE has done the exact opposite and catered to the average or below crowd (echo buffs, tomestone overload, Sands/Oil dropping everywhere, etc.). So it wasn't much of a stretch to assume that this decision had something to do with the overwhelming cries of "it's too hard to kill a healer, make it easier" posse so present in the English forums.

[Divinemight]

I agree. Though over the course of this game, it's not hard to make an argument that SE has done the exact opposite and catered to the average or below crowd (echo buffs, tomestone overload, Sands/Oil dropping everywhere, etc.). So it wasn't much of a stretch to assume that this decision had something to do with the overwhelming cries of "it's too hard to kill a healer, make it easier" posse so present in the English forums.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBQ7K_aMpBM

A pug Malestorm party of 4 WHMs and 4 SCHs melting Twin Adder Party at Manor.
This is just pug party.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aqv7S8M6W8

In this video, 2/3 of the alliance are WHMs and SCHs. Is this still not an issue?

This is just YouTube , there are tons more on the niconico. Are you able to register it if I share those as hard solid proof?

[Gor]

You should do some reaserch. This is from other thread:

so sick of seeing this image thrown around using it as a basis for argument without no background knowledge of what actually happened to get those numbers. people are just speculating that he did that much as a SCH. if he jus stood there rolling dots on a clusterfuck at one base for 15 minutes because the enemy team kept banging their heads on it, it might be possible, but with only 33k heals, which is crap for a healer, it means he wasn't healing. hell even the BRD almost got as much healing as he did. the scorebard only records what spec you were when the game ended, not what class(es) you were prior so with 130k damage with only a shitty 7 kills, the most likely story is he swapped from dps to SCH mid-match, thus making it look like he did all that as a SCH when he actually did all that damage as a dps.

[Divinemight]

so sick of seeing this image thrown around using it as a basis for argument without no background knowledge of what actually happened to get those numbers. people are just speculating that he did that much as a SCH. if he jus stood there rolling dots on a clusterfuck at one base for 15 minutes because the enemy team kept banging their heads on it, it might be possible, but with only 33k heals, which is crap for a healer, it means he wasn't healing. hell even the BRD almost got as much healing as he did. the scorebard only records what spec you were when the game ended, not what class(es) you were prior so with 130k damage with only a shitty 7 kills, the most likely story is he swapped from dps to SCH mid-match, thus making it look like he did all that as a SCH when he actually did all that damage as a dps.

Check the two videos. You always claim it is learn to play issue. Does it looks like that other party can even do anything?

[Shake0615]

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What are you still on about? Killing a healer is not difficult. As I said, in my data center you simply don't see full alliances of White Mages so the videos you posted aren't an issue for us. However, if this is a thing in Japan then I understand why SE would want to counteract it. And Gor does have a point that we don't see the whole story behind that screenshot. That person could easily have been another class before switching so it isn't conclusive proof. If that is indeed their DPS output as Scholar, then I stand with you. A healer should not be able to do that much damage. But even if they could, then they're sacrificing heals so there is a penalty to it. Either way, I don't have the patience to argue this all night lol.

[Divinemight]

What are you still on about?

Why are you still complaining then? Video is always the best proof isn't it.

[shadowrell_d-_-b]

This is straight BS, why do this now sch will be horribly boring not to mention be completely unable to defend ourselves so now we essentially have to run from every encounter even solo's! I'm done with pvp if this is the route SE goes sch has been nerfed to heck (some of which I can agree with) but this is just not cool, how much more are we gonna cater to these complainers and ppl that don't want to take time and learn their class. This is such a disappointment