Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Namasu]

Guys, enough bickering. Just look at it like this:

Non-healers know that healers should be nerfed.
Healers know that they should be nerfed.

NO ONE disagree that healers should be nerfed.

Here's the actual problems:
8 stacking healers is usually the problem. Fine, do a diminishing return on how much regen/medica/heal you can receive at a given time.
Whm/Sch CAN solo dps/tanks of lower skill level and SOMETIMES solo people equal skill level if there is an ADVANTAGE in available cooldowns.

How did we healers AND non-healers to do the nerf?
We wanted diminishing return on healing so that stacking healer is non-viable. NOT removing cleric stance completely.
Removing cleric stance does not break the 8 healer stack advantage. 8 scholars can cycle knockback on any cap and own it in second. 8 whm can still deliver burst holy spam + 8 medica II + fluid aura for invincible mode to turtle a cap.
Yes cleric stance do give whm/sch an edge with dps but to nerf it, a 10~20% reduction is more than enough but removing cleric stance completely is probably like over 50% nerf.

This is my last post for the thread. It doesn't matter which side is right or wrong anymore (since that's what most of you guys are so keen on discussing). The real problem is the devs are so hasty with throwing a crippling nerf without acknowledging that they are further dumbing the game down and kill interests of hardcore pvp-ers. This forum has already lost all hope since people can't overcome their difference in opinions (and resorting to childish remark like calling people whiny and salty despite having a legitimate argument) and unite against the principle that SE delivered the WRONG nerf.

At the end of the day healers will still heal. Some will quit PVP for sure over this and that will directly affect your queue time and quality of your game. So enjoy calling healers whiny and salty and see the effect a couple months from now.
Please look forward to the next nerf.

[Sen_Terrechant]

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Actually, i disagree. Like ive said i dont believe in catering to the WORST players. Healers were never an issue for actually good, organized players.

So yeah. I have a big issue with that. PvP is already a very niche thing, and SE is balancing around the WORST players that most likely will not continue to PvP anyways.

Also 8 stacking healers was only an issue for morons that like to slam their face against a brick wall repeatedly insted of just GOING AROUND AND CAPPING ANOTHER POINT.


I wonder what the next crusade by the terrible players that occupy these forums will be...

[Hollowed]

This is stupid, SCH needed something changed in PVP sure, that sort of dmg while lustrate spamming was OP for sure, I wouldn't have even been that upset about a holy nerf (whm main) but this was just a lazy fix, healers are helpless outside of sleep/heavy and running away now.

[Divinemight]

The Orders of Twin Adder!! of the Primals!! of the Aethers!! Brothers and Sisters!!
Let us drop our petty difference, our believes, and our mercifulness!!
Let us re-united as one!!
We should all submit ourselves to the path of the Healers for our Grand Company!!
Countless nights that we have been crashed on the Frontline because we are out numbered!!
Scattered, losing most of our matches, and massacred!!
Malestorm is laughing at us, calling us carebears
Flames believes we are weak, taking advantage of it.
We are weakest, out numbered, and scattered, but.....
It is also our strength!!!!
We are the only Grand Company can afford to make premade party effectively.
It is time to fight back. It is time for us to make premade party of healers and taking back our glory and our pride.
Monks, drop your practice
Paladins, drop your Sward and Shield
Bards, throw away your bows
Dragoons, break your spears
Let us all take up staff and book and becomes White Mage and the Scholars.
Let make party of healers and tear up our foes at the Frontline.
It is the time for the revenge.
For the glory of the Twin Adders!!!!!!!!

If there is grammar/spelling issue or any improvment need. Please let me know.

[kisada]

just waited 2 hours for a 24 man match in frontlines. this is just all wrong.

[Houston009]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ealer-Stacking.

What should have happened.

[Zyphione]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ealer-Stacking.

What should have happened.

The opening poster for that thread looks very similar to you!

[Houston009]

The opening poster for that thread looks very similar to you!

IKR omigursh!

[Divinemight]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ealer-Stacking.

What should have happened.

After re-read those reponses on your thread and watching this video again:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBQ7K_aMpBM

/sigh

[Divinemight]

Not going to hide it. Japanse community is having same discussion:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...2691-パッチ2.38総合

They beleived that WHM and SCH need to be tune down, but do not prefer disable an action entirely instead of adjusting it.

Oh WoW!! I didnt know there is 20 posts daily limit on this fourm. I guess I will reply you here.

The opinions are not much different there to here if only looking at logical thought if this thread have any. They discuss on borderline that healers have also become boring but because they feel like punching bag? Last page has listing and mention that class has ability to do too many things at bottom of page? I do not know if you agree that tuning down would be better idea? Still makes healer strong in highlighted situation after reading through thread.
I do not feel that anything has change playing FL games even after stance was remove but at least SCH do not visit base alone and spend more time healing party.

Back in other thread, I believed that it is fine for the players to enjoy healer as dps role, as long as there is a form of peanlty. I was strongly emphaiszing Cleric Stance back there and beleived that it should be adjusted. Increase healing reduction further instead of being low 20%. My idea number is maybe around 80% healing reduction and make them perform like WoW's shadow priest with the shadow form.

Yet, I got crucified. They never provide me any counter arugment to explain why they would need Cleric Stance in order to be function in Wolf's Den and Frotnline. I have asked Kalie in the other thread and Gor in this thread, but never received any response. I have WHM to lvl 37 and I really can not see why you need Cleric Stance in order to be function as a healer unless you are going to spec into INT attributes with vit accessories and playing as a DPS.

It sounds like a doomsday scenario here that there will be no healer. In reality. the Frontline matches yesterday is same as usual. Clearly, this has no impact on the Frontline. I do not beleive that their concern is relate to the Wolf's Den either. If you are already busy with survival from 3 dps attacking you in the Wolf's Den, why would you turn on Cleric Stance at all?

That table near the end is that player's evaluation on each job's overall rating by dividing into 4 categories:

Offense
Healing
Crow Control
Ability to Knockback.