Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Copestetic]

I agree. Healers have been nerfed into the ground that they're sitting ducks. I mean, even with all of our healing skills, damage mitigation, ability to run tank right sides boosting our HP while still pushing out great heals, able to spam Sprint off CD, skills that prevent us from being interrupted, instant rez's, tons of CC for WHM's, debuffs for SCH's, cleanses, and having 7 other people to assist us; yep. Fucking helpless.

[Domira]

Cause I can see PLDs and MRD putting out too much damage for their "role."

So PLD damage is on par with DRG, BLM, SMN, MNK? Is that what you are saying?

[Shake0615]

So PLD damage is on par with DRG, BLM, SMN, MNK? Is that what you are saying?

Was a WHM's and SCH's on par with DRG, BLM, SMN, MNK? No, but that didn't stop it from getting nerfed. You want people to stick to strict, pre-defined roles then PLD and MRD should do no better damage than a healer - they should only tank,

[Theortand]

Yeah as a result of this I am unlikely to ever heal again in PvP as it isn't worth the harassment of getting constantly targeted.

[Copestetic]

Yeah as a result of this I am unlikely to ever heal again in PvP as it isn't worth the harassment of getting constantly targeted.

Because Stone II or a couple of DoT's would prevent that from happening.

[Divinemight]

Was a WHM's and SCH's on par with DRG, BLM, SMN, MNK? No, but that didn't stop it from getting nerfed. You want people to stick to strict, pre-defined roles then PLD and MRD should do no better damage than a healer - they should only tank,

You should do some reaserch. This is from other thread:



BLM with same 7-1 ratio only did 71204 and 3811 healing in direct comparison.

Please explain to me why do you need cleric stance to play as a healer on the Frontline
Please also explain to me why those players who use Scholar as DPS role should be on top of every other jobs without any form of peanlty. Let me remind you, when Marauder is going for full dps role, they actually scarificed 2k hp and 25% healing bonus. If they still want to play Scholar as dps role, they still can. They just have to be like Maruaders that drop their HP pool in exchange for the dps by switching vit accessories to int accessories.

Japanese Schoalrs and WHMs are melting everyone. Just to let you know. Japanse community has the population size to use premade and their tactics are brutal in a level you havent see on both Aether and Primals. This is a fact, but a fact a lot of healers on this fourm choose to ignore. Also, do not accuse SE listenign to the majority, that is a poor defense attempt that never works in WoW and any other MMO. Let me remind of you, unless you are going to accusing he is a lair without any evidence to back you up, Yoship said he has played more than 300 Frontlines in an open interview last month. I also shared a thread previously about him brought voice actress of Kan-E-Senna to the Frontline in 14 hours live event. He sees what he sees.

[Domira]

How would they tank? Provoke doesn't work in pvp.

Healers are the tanks in pvp, this applies to nearly every pvp mmorpg. Also to answer your question about if healers did more damage than actual dps classes, the answer is no. But it was up there, but you see since you seem to be polarized to a certain type of thinking in regards to the healer class you over look a lot of important facts. The most important one being that SCH had high dps via attrition. Which means that overtime in a 1v1 scenario they will beat out a actual dps class. Why? Its very simple, with a combination of having good damage and good healing they become a self sustaining class were as other classes are forced to rely on other archetypes to cover their weakness.

In addition your reasoning why a PLD and MRD shouldn't do more damage than a healer really doesn't have any weight to it. There is no provoke or way to force actual players to attack you in pvp, so their whole tanking role is thrown out the window.

[Adrian74]

Oh, didn't notice there was another thread like this!....I already explained my opinions about the awful decision of removing Cleric Stance ... Goodbye to duality, balance, and fun... Goodbye to proper healing (At least having fun) in FL....

Please check also the other post like this, and if possible comment it, make more posts, whatever that could be visible for SE.

PS: Loved an image showed two posts above showing actually the differences between using good a scholar and using it bad.... So classes that can do some good things when using very good have to be nerfed, uh...

PS2: Only interested in PvP as healer, DPS is DPS, Tank is DPS with more vit... Healer was only one that had different options and required you more multitask and analysis of the situation, in short, the harder to MAXIMIZE and because of that, the most useful and funnier. "Oh no! Having skills and people that knows how to use them is bad! Let's just do a auto-attack PvP"

[Lemuria]

Well, it's not like I had much reason to want to PvP in the first instance, but now I'm even less inclined to go as a healer. Great job SE!

[Shake0615]

Japanese Schoalrs and WHMs are melting everyone. Just to let you know. This is a fact, but a fact a lot of healers on this fourm choose to ignore.

I don't read the JP forums, but it appears I stand corrected. There is at least one Scholar out there who can put big numbers on the board if that person indeed stayed on the class that entire time. However, is this really all that common in JP data centers? Cause I have yet to see anything remotely close to that on Primal. So I'm more inclined to think that Tete Rouge is just a really, really good player, and that this case is an outlier rather than what's common.

Edit: I see that you added more to your post. I never accused anyone of being a liar, I simply pointed out that up to this point no one had done what you did - which was provide any actual proof that a healer could consistently compete with an actual DD class. As I said, I stand corrected. I'm sure there are more competitive data centers than Primal but that's the only comparison I can make...and you simply don't see that kind of damage. If the Japanese are good enough to pull off that kind of damage, more power to them. It's a Japanese game, so we folks in the rest of the world will have to roll with whatever changes best suit the Japanese market....doesn't mean I like it though lol