Dungeons and ANGRY PEOPLE !

[Snugglebutt]

No...YOU'RE making no sense. lol. Seriously.

I said that that is my experience. Just because it's my experience doesn't mean it will be other peoples experience. It also does not mean that my experience is fake because you did not experience it.

I shared my experience because I wanted to show the flip side of the coin. That newbies can be mean. Why is that a hard to understand?

Your a liar. That's plain to see even if you try to hide being 'in my experience' as there is no way in hell that you leveled from 1 to 50 multiplied by five dungeon character classes all to level 50 yet never once had a bad veteran player being rude or angry, you also did not say newbies could be mean, you was very specific in saying only the newbies are mean despite hiding behind 'in your experience' attempt at a get of jail free card which is not working. You did not want to show the flip side of the coin else you would of just said you have also come across rude new players not just veteran ones, instead you lied to deflect blame from veterans to new players by claiming only new players are the angry and rude ones of which using the in your experience card does not make a difference when you have leveled 1-50 five times on dungeon classes as it makes your lie as obvious as godzilla sitting in someones front garden playing the lute.

[MomomiMomi]

Your a liar. That's plain to see even if you try to hide being 'in my experience' as there is no way in hell that you leveled from 1 to 50 multiplied by five dungeon character classes all to level 50 yet never once had a bad veteran player being rude or angry, you also did not say newbies could be mean, you was very specific in saying only the newbies are mean despite hiding behind 'in your experience' attempt at a get of jail free card which is not working.

I've also not had that experience with veteran players being rude or angry. Don't know why you automatically assume it's a lie. Note: I'm specifically talking about in low level dungeons.

[Snugglebutt]

I've also not had that experience with veteran players being rude or angry. Don't know why you automatically assume it's a lie. Note: I'm specifically talking about in dungeons.

I don't believe you. Anyone who has leveled from 1-50 at least once has had at least one rude or angry player whom does not fit into the new player category of first class on first character, not unless they have never done any dungeons while leveling to 50 which by proxy means never completed the main story quest line or they have never ran a dungeon without anyone except FC members/friends.

[NyarukoW]

I've also not had that experience with veteran players being rude or angry. ....

Go do some Brayflox HM on the DF. Perhaps the speed runner don't infest that one nearly as much as they used too. Go do expert roulette then. Go as your WHM, either way if you slow down a little bit, watch them speed runner get mad at you. It doesn't take much. Chat with your FC for 10 seconds and they get mad at you, I've seen them abuse the vote kick and kick a WHM that got thru the first boss just fine on Stone Vigil HM, but because the WHM was chatting with other members of our FC, the tank went got himself wipe, they voted to kick the WHM. Then everyone had to abandon because the wait got long. LOL.

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This is SO TRUE. .......

Go bogus. Someone must not be able to detect a troll properly. That green sprout is just cover for the trolls using their alt smurf characters. Trolls act like that, because they want to troll you and get a rise out of you. Vote kick is what you do the trolls.

[MomomiMomi]

Go do some Brayflox HM on the DF. Perhaps the speed runner don't infest that one nearly as much as they used too. Go do expert roulette then. Go as your WHM, either way if you slow down a little bit, watch them speed runner get mad at you. It doesn't take much. Chat with your FC for 10 seconds and they get mad at you, I've seen them abuse the vote kick and kick a WHM that got thru the first boss just fine on Stone Vigil HM, but because the WHM was chatting with other members of our FC, the tank went got himself wipe, they voted to kick the WHM. Then everyone had to abandon because the wait got long. LOL.

I wiped multiple Brayflox speedrun attempts when I was still new. All I ever got was "sorry, didn't check healer's gear."

[NyarukoW]

I wiped multiple Brayflox speedrun attempts when I was still new. All I ever got was "sorry, didn't check healer's gear."

You obviously didn't run it daily for the next 100 days. But some people can get lucky. But the speed runners will do that full pull up that bridge and cuss at with "!@#$%^& no heals?". Seen that at least a dozen times. And sometimes the tank rage quit and strand everyone else. I even had a tank tell the healer, that because they "expletive" can't heal the full pull it was destroying all the fun he had in game and he was going to quit.

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Wow. . .you have some serious issues with logic.

No your logic is broken. You don't understand logic. Your memory alone is not an adequate sample set and it could be faulty as you say " still drawing a blank." Or it could be that your had chats turned off and never see any of the yelling. Or you do not consider any of the yelling between players as "angry". Or you could have done all your dungeons with your FCs so avoid any of the DF fund and drama. In any case it is your logic that is faulty.

[Viridiana]

No your logic is broken. You don't understand logic.

I was referring specifically to the attempt to equate Elim with a man defending misogyny.

I'll be the first to admit that my memory is faulty. But you also don't see me weighing in either way as to which group has a higher number or percentage of a-holes.

[Snugglebutt]

I was referring specifically to the attempt to equate Elim with a man defending misogyny.

I'll be the first to admit that my memory is faulty. But you also don't see me weighing in either way as to which group has a higher number or percentage of a-holes.

The example is sound in the context of what I was referring to which is the type of behavior I gave an example of earlier.

[NyarukoW]

... But you also don't see me weighing in either way as to which group has a higher number or percentage of a-holes.

So probably wouldn't weigh on Ray Rice case either, because Janay hit Ray too. You people get tricked by the false equivalences so easily, that you don't know the flaw in that logic.

It is a irrefutable fact that speed-runner are unhappy with the new players. They've made enough posts on this forums to make that abundantly clear. And there are plenty posts of newer players complaining about being vote kick abuse by those speed runners for reasons ranging from watching cutscenes to being undergeared a bit. The problem is the speed runners not spending time to communicate and coordinate, because by definition it is not a speed run anymore if you have to do that.

Now the controversy has moved to the hunt, because those same speed runners are trolling hunts, because they don't want to communicate, coordinate, and they just want to early fast pull the marks. New content same problem from the same trolls.

Remember the week Syrcus tower was released, every ST run, somebody was raging at someone else about how even kindergarteners !@#%% knew that fire and ice made water. if you get to that point, by definition everyone is if you get to that point, unless you count the 1st-timers to those as newbies. It is way more common to see impatient experienced players cussing out the player that are just relatively newer than them.

[Elim]

Your a liar. That's plain to see even if you try to hide being 'in my experience' as there is no way in hell that you leveled from 1 to 50 multiplied by five dungeon character classes all to level 50 yet never once had a bad veteran player being rude or angry, you also did not say newbies could be mean, you was very specific in saying only the newbies are mean despite hiding behind 'in your experience' attempt at a get of jail free card which is not working.

Why do you think that I need to "lie". What would "lying" get me on a forum full of strangers that I don't care about?

You keep trying to twist and change my words, or you simply don't understand what I'm typing. Either way, I can see that you will keep doing that so there is honestly no point in this conversation. Oh well.