Dungeons and ANGRY PEOPLE !

[Snugglebutt]

Elim, do you not see the irony of your blaming new players yet it is the non-new players you are arguing with? Given the amount of non-new players who disagree with you because they find what you said to be wrong or misleading goes to show one of two things...either they all haven't experienced what you claim to the extent of what you claim or your simply rare exception to the rule in which case one must wonder why only you seem to be having the issues you claim in here when a larger amount of the non-new players here oppose your claim and have not had the same experience so are disagreeing with you. Could be implied that something specifically your doing is causing your issues with new players given how many are saying your wrong here and given that it is not the new players calling you out on it...or your trying to claim a rare example is a larger issue and happens more often than does in reality. The reality is it is mostly (not always but mostly) the older players, vets as you call it being the ones rude and impatient, obnoxious and raging in parties/groups. I will leave it at that.

[NyarukoW]

How am I being mean to the OP by posting my experiences? ...

What experience? Other than making some blanket statement about new players prefaced by "from my experience", probably experience confused smurf trolls with green sprouts. There is no experience you can speak of or verify. All we know is you do NOT like new players, and you would NOT even give then the benefit of the doubt.

If you believe new players deliberately want to be mean and rude and act like trolls, then you might as well believe the babies are evil. The two are clearly analogous and irrefutable. These things can happen, just like people can be hit by lightning, but to make some blanket unqualified statement like that is to ignore the fact that these things are really really on the fringe and that is not the issue and not what the OP is talking about.

Just because there could be two sides to some things, it does NOT make the two side equal. It is a false equivalence to state the new players can be mean too in response to what the OP was talking about. And blaming the OP for his problem is clearly mean, and blaming the OP because of some other troll is even worse misappropriated anger.

[Elim]

Elim, do you not see the irony of your blaming new players yet it is the non-new players you are arguing with? Given the amount of non-new players who disagree with you...(had to shorten this)

No. I don't see any irony because I never said that vets can't be mean. Trust me when I say I'm not a rare exception; you can't extrapolate that based on three people replying to my post in one thread.

[Elim]

What experience? (had to shorten this).

I never said that I didn't like new players. I never said I wouldn't give the benefit of the doubt. I never said that new players want to be mean. I never blamed the OP. You're putting words into my post because we'll...I'm not sure. Maybe to try to prove some point to yourself.

And I was vague about some newbies being mean because I'm too lazy to write up a bunch of examples.

[NyarukoW]

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And I was vague about some newbies being mean because I'm too lazy to write up a bunch of examples.

If you got nothing better to say, sometimes it is better to not say anything.

When you post vaguely that newbies being mean, you are saying the OP is mean, or the OP is at fault. Just like lighting can strike some one or babies can be evil. This kind of false equivalence has no point other than to distract and falsely put the blame on the wrong parties. This is FUD is just cover for people to be irresponsible.

[Alukah]

I've had your "don't tell me how to play my class" cases, but did you bother to check their search info? On my side, none of the cases were people leveling their first class, every time I got the "don't tell me how to play my class" line came either from someone leveling an alt class or someone who was already 50 and think they know everything there is to know.

[Snugglebutt]

It is a fact that it is mostly the older players, vets who are mean and rude in parties. Everyone knows this even amongst us older players we all know this except apparently you based on your original comment. Your not coming across as lazy, your coming across as misleading and applying misdirection trying to change that fact in favor of the older players despite the reality being contradictory of such a stance. None arguing with you claim there is no rude new players but in general they are a very rare exception and it is true that it is mostly older players who are the ones greifing, being abusive and rude in dungeon groups.

[Elim]

When you post vaguely that newbies being mean, you are saying the OP is mean, or the OP is at fault.

No I'm not. You're deciding that there is some sort of hidden meaning behind my words. Either way, I'm correcting you now by saying that it doesn't say or mean that. It means exactly what it says.

It is a fact that it is mostly the older players, vets who are mean and rude in parties. Everyone knows this even amongst us older players we all know this except apparently you based on your original comment. Your not coming across as lazy, your coming across as misleading and applying misdirection trying to change that fact in favor of the older players despite the reality being contradictory of such a stance. .

That's your belief. Not mine.

Boy people are hellbent on creating a debate here.

[TouchandFeel]

New players and veteran players can both be rude, defensive and jerks.
I have experienced both sides and attitude is not necessarily corelated by a persons knowledge and experience with the game.
Also not all new players and veteran players are jerks. The amount of either category of player being a jerk will vary depending on individual experience and which side of the coin (new/veteran) they themselves fall on.

So can we please put an end to this back and forth argument as it is hijacking this thread.
Thank you.

[Snugglebutt]

I've had your "don't tell me how to play my class" cases, but did you bother to check their search info? On my side, none of the cases were people leveling their first class, every time I got the "don't tell me how to play my class" line came either from someone leveling an alt class or someone who was already 50 and think they know everything there is to know.

This is vastly more honest and true rather than what Elim claims. As I said I have never had such an example which Elim gave coming from a new player, a low level class character does not make a new player, they might have level 50 other classes on that character and they are simply leveling a different class on that same character which is why I said never experienced this from new player...a new player as in someone leveling not just their first character but also first class on that first character.