Dungeons and ANGRY PEOPLE !

[Elim]

When you post vaguely that newbies being mean, you are saying the OP is mean, or the OP is at fault.

No I'm not. You're deciding that there is some sort of hidden meaning behind my words. Either way, I'm correcting you now by saying that it doesn't say or mean that. It means exactly what it says.

It is a fact that it is mostly the older players, vets who are mean and rude in parties. Everyone knows this even amongst us older players we all know this except apparently you based on your original comment. Your not coming across as lazy, your coming across as misleading and applying misdirection trying to change that fact in favor of the older players despite the reality being contradictory of such a stance. .

That's your belief. Not mine.

Boy people are hellbent on creating a debate here.

[NyarukoW]

No I'm not. You're deciding that there is some sort of hidden meaning behind my words. Either way, I'm correcting you now by saying that it doesn't say or mean that. It means exactly what it says.

And you mean that 100% of the time it is newbies being mean, because it is you qualify it with exactly nothing. You don't say rarely, you don't say 50% of the time or anything. It just say "from your experience" without any definition or qualification as to what that means. In short there is no misinterpretation of your attempt to blame the OP.

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New players and veteran players can both be rude, defensive and jerks.
..... So can we please put an end to this back and forth argument as it is hijacking this thread.

This is the false equivalence trap that you've got tricked into. Yes the both can happens, but odds of it happening is like 500 (experienced players cussing out new players, especially speed runner) to 1 (the nutty new player who thinks too highly of themselves.) The two are side are NOT remotely equal.

Irresponsible blanket statements like that is unfair and unjust and is really mean to OP.

[Elim]

And you mean that 100% of the time it is newbies being mean, because it is you qualify it with exactly nothing. You don't say rarely, you don't say 50% of the time or anything. It just say "from your experience" without any definition or qualification as to what that means. In short there is no misinterpretation of your attempt to blame the OP.

As I said I didn't blame the OP. If you're bent on wanting to believe that then there is nothing more to say. lol

[Snugglebutt]

Elim, when you say "only" new players are the bad ones in your first comment in this thread then try to hide behind "in my experience..." your fooling noone.

If you have leveled to 50 to make such a claim that throughout that 1-50 multiplied by five times in your case for DoW/DoM classes...that you never had older vet players being the bad ones of which in your own words claimed is "only the new players" being the bad ones is simply a lie, no mistaking it just a blatant lie yet you seem confused why people are calling you out on it.

None here believe you and rightly so because everyone knows from experience even leveling just one DoW/DoM to 50 that it is mostly the older veteran players with already at least one level 50 class type that generally are the rude and impatient ones in dungeons. Your claim which everyone has been arguing with you about is not just unbelievable but is clearly misleading and a lie in order to deflect blame from vets to new players.

[Elim]

Elim, when you say "only" new players are the bad ones in your first comment in this thread then try to hide behind "in my experience..." your fooling noone. (had to shorten this again, sorry).

Honestly, the only angry people I see in low level dungeons are the newbies themselves.

I didn't say that newbies are the only angry people and that vets can never be angry or any of the other stuff you guys seem to want to put into my posts. I said newbies are the only angry people I SEE in low level dungeons. You can keep saying that it's not possible, but it doesn't change the fact that it is my experience.

[Snugglebutt]

I didn't say that newbies are the only angry people and that vets can never be angry or any of the other stuff you guys seem to want to put into my posts. I said newbies are the only angry people I SEE in low level dungeons. You can keep saying that it's not possible, but it doesn't change the fact that it is my experience.

What? Your making no sense since both mean the same thing...

You saying the only people/see is no different to saying the only people/in your experience which you later fell back on as an excuse. It's the same thing, your claiming the only rude and angry people you have seen/experienced while leveling from 1-50 in dungeons (multiplied by five times in your case on DoW/DoM classes) is the newbies/new players still in both cases. You cannot get out of it by trying to change a few words, especially when both your phrases mean the same thing. Your lying and everyone knows it.

[Elim]

What? Your making no sense...

You saying the only people/see is no different to saying the only people/in your experience which you later fell back on as an excuse. It's the same thing, your claiming the only rude and angry people you have seen/experienced while leveling from 1-50 in dungeons (multiplied by five times in your case on DoW/DoM classes) is the newbies/new players still in both cases. You cannot get out of it by trying to change a few words, especially when both your phrases mean the same thing. Your lying and everyone knows it.

No...YOU'RE making no sense. lol. Seriously.

I said that that is my experience. Just because it's my experience doesn't mean it will be other peoples experience. It also does not mean that my experience is fake because you did not experience it.

I'm not dumb and think just because my experience is that newbies are mean that everyones experience will be the same as mine.

I shared my experience because I wanted to show the flip side of the coin. That newbies can be mean. Why is that a hard to understand?

[TouchandFeel]

This is the false equivalence trap that you've got tricked into. Yes the both can happens, but odds of it happening is like 500 (experienced players cussing out new players, especially speed runner) to 1 (the nutty new player who thinks too highly of themselves.) The two are side are remotely equal.

Irresponsible blanket statements like that is unfair and unjust and is really mean to OP.

You are being awfully selective regarding what I said, so much so that you actually edited out the part where I stated that neither all new players or all veterans are jerks and a persons experience with these groups of players will vary.
That seems like a fairly open-ended statement with lots of room for variation.

Also, I have not been tricked by anything. I know the generalized breakdown of veterans being nasty vs. new players being nasty, just like I know that doing a side by side comparison is not necessarily going to yield decisive results since there are more elements to take into account such as the percentage of new players vs. veteran players as a whole, how one chooses to define whether a player is new or not (new to the game, new to the content, etc.).

Simply put my statement was laying out that both sides are neither fully right nor fully wrong and that jerks will exist within either group. Things are not black and white with this and really everyone should just try to be a nicer more understanding person.

[NyarukoW]

... where I stated that neither all new players or all veterans are jerks and a persons experience with these groups of players will vary.
That seems like a fairly open-ended statement with lots of room for variation.

But the variation is not a 50/50 split down the middle. That is the false equivalence that the "variation" misleads. It is more like 500 to 1, where speed runner are berating anyone else that isn't geared enough, or experienced enough to do the speed runs.