FFXIV does not need to be like FFXI

[Redemption]

Im not going to keep discussing this with you because its just going in circles. I genuinely liked the experience, all of it, the good and the bad so deal with it. You didn't and thats ok, you have your own things and this isnt relevant to you. Let the devs worry about the business aspect of it, if it truly isn't doable then they won't do it, they don't need you or anyone else sticking words in their mouth.

[Luvbunny]

Im not going to keep discussing this with you because its just going in circles. I genuinely liked the experience, all of it, the good and the bad so deal with it. You didn't and thats ok, you have your own things and this isnt relevant to you. Let the devs worry about the business aspect of it, if it truely isnt doable then they won't do it, they dont need you or anyone else sticking words in their mouth.

Yup - if this is a great business model, they would have done it way back in 2012 when according to many naysayer = "Abyssea brought ruin to FFXI and destroyed the game and completely brought it to the ground, it was a massive disaster of epic proportion". Let's create a classic FFXI server to "reset" the progress of evil Abyssea so everyone can go back and never have to experience the epic disaster of an expansion. It didn't happen back then, it will not happen now. Instead what they did was "resetting" the game via Seekers of Adoulin and introducing i-level system.

[MistyMew]

I am not sure why people argue which parts of ffxi were "good" and which were "bad", or why pre-abyssea was to some the best or why post-abyssea was for some the best.

There's no right answer as everything is a personal opinion only, so why waste time even chatting about it. We can all agree to disagree on most topics and "preferences" on any game in every forum anyway lol

That said I personally much prefer ffxi post- abyssea, I have played since NA release, have never unsubbed and I enjoy the aspects of the newer ffxi far better then the older. But that's simply my preference. I realize others think far differently, they are neither more correct nor wrong either.

I have always pushed that there needs to be content for all playstyles in every MMO I play, pushed for that in here as well to try to make se see that there needs to be similar rewards for all playstyles and enough content to satisfy the hardcore , average playtime customer and for the casual playtime customer.

All playstyles are equally valuable to every game, with not one single style more important then the other.

End game should never ever just be for hardcore . That's imo where most games go wrong. They need to offer very similar rewards but completely different paths of achieving, one for hardcore, average playtime, and for time restricted casuals. Rewards must be equal or very similar with the only difference being the time to achieve separating playstyles. Allow ppl to chose the path that suits their life/preference the best without the pressure to completely change their life to take part in end game.

Anyway I drifted, I apologize...

Because of this Redemption, I did indeed sign the petition, not because I would ever want to go back to the first days of ffxi...no way in h_ _ _ lol but I fully agree that there should be an option for those that may enjoy it... more players happy in any mmo, the better.

This topic has been brought up in wow millions of times as well, the developers have still said No upfront, but many still try, again I see no harm in doing so. I am not in the business so maybe there is more data somewhere that gives them the impression it would not be "worth" it financially idk...but from an outside customer view I see more options as a step in the right direction...always.

[Vallug]

People have been asking Blizzard for a vanilla/TBC server since 2009 or so. Hasn't happened.
Also, as nice as these requests are (I would probably play in these type of servers) they do not belong here...

That is because the want for a vanilla/tc server is in truth so low. Yeah people say they want it but we all know it would have so few players it would be a money loss.

[HeroSamson]

If that is the case instead of making a server they could just revamp the battle mechanics in FFXI UI include jump.
Wouldn't even need to make another server.

Problem is ps2 support still going xbox360 support when FFXI decides to actually dump those two platforms and move it up to ps4 and X1 then maybe they could give FFXI a little shine.
Though its a waste of time to make another server.

Then again FFXI doesn't need to be FFXIV either.

[Reynhart]

Im not going to keep discussing this with you because its just going in circles. I genuinely liked the experience, all of it, the good and the bad so deal with it. You didn't and thats ok, you have your own things and this isnt relevant to you. Let the devs worry about the business aspect of it, if it truly isn't doable then they won't do it, they don't need you or anyone else sticking words in their mouth.

You still haven't answered my question (Which was a real one, by the way). Suppose they create a server withtout anything post-Abyssea. What content would you do there that you haven't done already ?

[Amberion]

That is because the want for a vanilla/tc server is in truth so low. Yeah people say they want it but we all know it would have so few players it would be a money loss.

You know that there are a lot of vanilla WoW private servers right?

Same with XI, but the XI one is suffering major bugs from what I have heard.

Yet still with bugs, lag and other bad things, many people go to them for the experience.

[ZReport]

That is because the want for a vanilla/tc server is in truth so low. Yeah people say they want it but we all know it would have so few players it would be a money loss.

This and the fact that no one really sits down and takes into account that it costs real money to potentially run a [official] classic server (as well as any other MMO server). It's easy to say "oh lets petition for a classic server", but there are costs involved to maintain said server. There's also the fact of costs required to hire on a few GMs (or pay existing GMs a bit more). There would also be work required to research all data applicable to a specific patch, and then they would have to rollback the server back to that said point in time. Then there's the cost of keeping the server perpetually in whatever patch it will be.

There would simply be no way to justify a sustainable server like that unless they offered a special charge for classic server access.

[Luvbunny]

You still haven't answered my question (Which was a real one, by the way). Suppose they create a server withtout anything post-Abyssea. What content would you do there that you haven't done already ?

I would guess SE doesn't even need to add new content because the current "classic" FFXI will be more than enough contents. It has notorious lock down that goes on for days and you can't solo any endgame so you are severely limited with the type of progress you can do. Dynamis would need at least 8-12 people, and Limbus has 3 days lock down. None of the Aht Ungat content can be solo as well on "classic FFXI". Since the main goal would be only to make your relic and mythic weapon and getting artifact +1 gears. This will ensure everyone is stuck in a hamster grind wheels for years.

[Redemption]

I would guess SE doesn't even need to add new content because the current "classic" FFXI will be more than enough contents. It has notorious lock down that goes on for days and you can't solo any endgame so you are severely limited with the type of progress you can do. Dynamis would need at least 8-12 people, and Limbus has 3 days lock down. None of the Aht Ungat content can be solo as well on "classic FFXI". Since the main goal would be only to make your relic and mythic weapon and getting artifact +1 gears. This will ensure everyone is stuck in a hamster grind wheels for years.

I don't think you understand what a hamster wheel grind is. THIS game has a hamster wheel, that is, that every step forward is inevitably going to go backward. You have a problem with the long time it takes to get something in old ffxi, yet you have spent 1 year here now grinding gear to get no further relative to the "end" than you were within the first 3 months. The progression here is an illusion, THAT is a hamster wheel, in ffxi it took a while but your rewards were good for the duration of the lvl 75 era of the game. You are doing the exact same thing here except you are just transitioning through more phases.