Time to bring back 1.23 multi-job relic style dungeons

[Cynric]

Provoke is the only absolutely necessary cross class as there are fights with tank switch mechanics that would be close to impossible without it. It's a complete newbie trap to not give warriors their own taunt.

Tank swap without provoke ... MT Turns around turns off oath/defiance, OT hate combos to take hate. MT becomes OT.
There is a way around everything . OT should be 2nd hate by the timing of hate swap. Obviously provoke is much more simple to do. But it's not 100% necessary.

[Gilthas]

Back in Closed Beta, many players complained that ARR shouldn't trash everything 1.23 offers, and should keep some aspect of it.

Actually, the "many players complaining" during beta was more like "the same guys complaining over and over". Same thing as the current forums really.

[SarcasmMisser]

Tank swap without provoke ... MT Turns around turns off oath/defiance, OT hate combos to take hate. MT becomes OT.
There is a way around everything . OT should be 2nd hate by the timing of hate swap. Obviously provoke is much more simple to do. But it's not 100% necessary.

Make a video of yourself doing this on ramuh before the tank gets nuked or you're all talk.

Also the fact that you think the ot is always second hate proves how little you know.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

There are points during turn 7 where in order to recover properly someone will have to die.

But again, that is to recover in a fight where players have already failed. It is not meant to be a mechanic of the fight from start to finish.

[Luvbunny]

This is what makes XIV different from other MMOs, the character's ability to do multi-jobs with just one character. If people do not want this game to use it to its advantage, then they need to stop complaining about "how ARR is just like other MMO and it is themepark".

Sorry - thank's for the offer but I'll have to pass. I like the current system for FF14, it is extremely FOCUSED and tuned to perfection. Yes, it is all about the mechanic and understanding how it works, just like every other action oriented game out there. I DO NOT want a game where the players force you to level certain VIP jobs of the moment or you are never going to get anything done or making any progress. Here is looking at you FFXI, where if you don't have jobs XYZ, you might as well quit.

[Vaer]

Tank swap without provoke ... MT Turns around turns off oath/defiance, OT hate combos to take hate. MT becomes OT.
There is a way around everything . OT should be 2nd hate by the timing of hate swap. Obviously provoke is much more simple to do. But it's not 100% necessary.

Wouldn't work for spiny in Garuda EX. It would die most of the time.

[Exstal]

Wouldn't work for spiny in Garuda EX. It would die most of the time.

It's actually impossible.

[Cynric]

That's something you'd have to play around if your tank doesn't always have second hate, your tank "should" have second hate doesn't mean that always happens, for example my monk is usually second hate which has led to, during t5 the other tank getting unwoven will. As for spiney, I'm sure there's a way to do it without killing it early and without both tanks having provoke. Not having provoke on both tanks is something the developers account for when developing content. Everyone is so used to provoke so there are no strategies currently without it. Provoke like any other cross class makes things easier, but things aren't impossible without it either.

@durtimonkytree: Thing is without that person dying, everyone else will most likely die, I don't think we will ever have content where someone absolutely must die as a mechanic in the fight. That would be a certainly interesting mechanic though.

Ah I almost forgot @SarcasmMiser: Sure, Now first i'll need some money for a capture card, then i'll need some money for a better computer to run the recording software on. Then i'll of course be glad to make that video. I love when people assume everyone can make a video at the drop of a hat.

[Ghishlain]

As for spiney, I'm sure there's a way to do it without killing it early and without both tanks having provoke.

Just throwing random two cents into this particular comment. My understanding about the Spiney in Garuda EX is that it starts with a very high amount of enmity against one random party member in the group and the only way to feasibly pull it off said target without killing it would be with Provoke.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, however.

[Tupsi]

Actually, the "many players complaining" during beta was more like "the same guys complaining over and over". Same thing as the current forums really.

Actually, it was many players because all during 1.x development we were told things would be fixed, not tossed out and in some cases, steps backwards from the "oh so broken FFXIV".