What's with the Early Pull Brigade?

[Ashkendor]

Who is being vituperative and emotional and who is calling-names? What was the title of this thread again? "Early Pull Bridgade"? The OP is calling people names and making up stories and was nasty from the start. I've not called anyone names.

You are, actually. It's possible to argue without being nasty. The OP endured some abhorrent behavior from other people, and you are flat-out calling him a liar and labelling anyone else you perceive as being "on his side" as some kind of anti-hunt sociopath. You clearly haven't read a lot of what we're posting and are just in here to make drama.

Early puller trolling hunts are selfish players and deliberately detrimental to everyone else. This is a fact not name calling. People that supports that behavior simply do NOT like this fact pointed out.

There's ways to say things like this without coming off like a complete ass, but... y'know.

HYPOTHETICAL!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

It won't let me embed, unfortunately.

[NyarukoW]

A good way to discourage early pullers is to make so that the first person to pull will earn 0 seals but instead will earn experience points. This makes sense because these monsters are threat to the lands. So you would want the hunters to help a lower level player in need of rescue from the monsters. So someone lower than level 50 can benefit with EXP and the hunters can then get their seals and only if the sub level 50 never dies.

[MomomiMomi]

And what the moderator write:

"I would like to note, before closing, that hypothetical situations are usually something I do not like to use, since they tend to simplify a situation to give a certain bias or justification. This example is no different, and should not be used as justification for that type of behaviour or assumption of another customer's guilt. Every situation is unique, and only through a GM investigation can the full situation be reviewed and a final determination be made.
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HYPOTHETICAL!!!

Either your reading comprehension is very poor, or you're just a troll. I don't care which it is, along with your willful ignorance, you're not worth discussing anything with.

[NyarukoW]

You are, actually. It's possible to argue without being nasty. ...

The OP is here to create drama with a title of the thread as it is. I am not being nasty, just calling the bluff. In game trolls that don't get their will resort to the forums to make a stink. This is a well known fact. The OP was not treated horridly, the OP got what they deserved.

Sure blame the cat, like a teacher is supposed to believe that the dog ate the homework. Sure, people cussing it up in the shouts should be reported. That kind of language is subject to sanction by the GM. But seriously, I've seen trolls like these show up during prime time doing early pulls, so I only do hunts in the off hours when there is no such issues when people wait and coordinate and share finds etc. No drama.

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BTW here is an example of name calling:

Either your reading comprehension is very poor, or you're just a troll. I don't care which it is, along with your willful ignorance, you're not worth discussing anything with.

And people just discount the parts of what the GM wrote because they don't like it or doesn't support their position.

[MomomiMomi]

Actions have consequences.

Just saying.

[ispano]

No, I believe they are correct in saying your reading comprehension is poor. I read that whole thread when it was happening.

If you pull before the zerg group gets there, you've done nothing wrong. If you AGREE to wait and then pull early, that's something else. And punishment, if any, would come from breaking the agreement, not for pulling.

That's why he said what he did about hypothetical situations.

[YmirEsc]

Hunts were designed for a small set of parties. Anyone who expects anything more than that just feels entitled to content that for the most part they do not find nor have the right to outcast others with. Mob mentality of entitlement, what a joke.

[NyarukoW]

No, I believe they are correct in saying your reading comprehension is poor. I read that whole thread when it was happening.
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You just read what you like to believe. Echo chamber syndrome and ignore the rest.

Detrimental can be objectively determined if there is enough data to mined. The troll that early pulls disrupting every can be spotted objectively, based on player position and time data and seals awarded. Not sure if the GMs can do such data mining, but the if the evidence and truth is out there. So that is why they couch their language with things like " Every situation is unique, and only through a GM investigation can the full situation be reviewed and a final determination be made."

But obvious trolls are obvious. Trolls that early pull and didn't get their way can easily come here and make up stories, and we can't tell if they are telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Hunts were designed for a small set of parties. Anyone who expects anything more than that just feels entitled to content that for the most part they do not find nor have the right to outcast others with. Mob mentality of entitlement, what a joke.

No one is being made an outcast unless they choose be a troll and become an outcast. Hunts are meant for players to come together and work together. Create websites, spreadsheets, coordinate communications etc. It is good for building a helpful community and being all inclusive. The data is provide and shared for everyone's benefit. It is not mob mentality, it is people working with a consensus and being helpful to one another, something that the early pulling trolls work to destroy.

[ispano]

Here's the thing you're missing though. A group of say, 4 pulling an A rank to kill it before the zerg shows up. Now, tell me how you know of their intent to disrupt? As opposed as intent to you know, kill the mob to get seals? Please tell me. Whereas resetting a hunt mark, which is what that thread about, outside of very specific situations is clearly intentional.

Hunts are meant for smaller groups than currently do them, you don't have to like or agree to that, but they are. It's the zergs that are outcasting these people and calling them trolls most of the time, nothing more.

People never think about this or choose to ignore it. When you WILLINGLY use something in a way it wasn't intended to be use, and then try to effectively FORCE other people to play that way, does not make you right. Large group or not.

So, sorry, a group pulling a mark before the zerg gets there, because they feel they can kill it and want a better chance at full credit, are doing nothing wrong. Period.

EDIT: Going to lay it out nice and clearly here.

You reset a mark because you want to help people who aren't there yet. You're being disruptive to those who are already there.

You pull a mark because your group is there and ready. You're NOT being disruptive to those who are not there. Because they are simply not there. The system was designed with competition in mind.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

The OP is here to create drama with a title of the thread as it is. I am not being nasty, just calling the bluff. In game trolls that don't get their will resort to the forums to make a stink. This is a well known fact. The OP was not treated horridly, the OP got what they deserved.

So a person that accidentally pulled a mob "deserves" to be verbally abused and blacklisted en masse?