What's with the Early Pull Brigade?

[Brine_Gildchaff]

You obviously don't understand the meaning of detrimental. When trolls are messing up hunts and being detrimental to everyone else, resets are the solution. The troll can go ahead and attempt to abuse the report system, but I'm sure the GM will dismiss their bogus claims.

Really? Because Enkatreia, the LEAD GM, posted several times in an enormous thread regarding resets and "early pulls" and explicitly said that resetting, regardless of intent, can be detrimental to the players who were already on-site. He said explicitly that people can report and that resetting, regardless of stated intent, could be considered a form of harassment and treated accordingly.

And people working together trying to help everyone get full credit will not be bullied by your false claims and misleading interpretations of the TOS or GM statement.

Also stop calling me a liar unless you've got some actual evidence that what I've said is not true. Go search up the posts, it's not like they'd be hard to find. And I rather highly doubt you have some privileged knowledge that my Maahes story didn't actually happen (particularly since it DID).

[NyarukoW]

.... refer to examples from other posters before. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen either.

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In passing, hunts are really badly designed, and bring out the worst in all sides of these arguments and debates, sadly.

The hunts are fine. The examples here are exaggerated stories made by a biased group of hunt haters. Given how many people are hunting in game at any time and how many of them actually use the hunt websites and calling out which elite marks are open and how everyone would fan out and search for them. and this is with strangers and happens all the time. That evidence far outweight all the bogus anecdotes along with the crying moaning that goes on in these threads.

The B marks have already been taken away, what else do these trolls want?

Bottom line, the selfish, trollish anti-hunt, anti-social folks are here trying to make an echo chamber full of their bogus claims. Real evidence is in game with all the happy people in hunt LS that are all maxed at 128 and they are always too busy hunting to deal with the nonsense complaints here.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

lol... I was actually referring to the part of the statement about actions and consequences, and how many people on this thread don't see the correlation between the two. Your retort was amusing though - I'll give you that.

... sorry, getting called a troll and liar has gotten me somewhat agitated, I must have misread. I thought you were chiming in to agree with NyarukoW. Sorry about that.

[Trell]

... sorry, getting called a troll and liar has gotten me somewhat agitated, I must have misread. I thought you were chiming in to agree with NyarukoW. Sorry about that.

Consider it forgotten. ^^

[NyarukoW]

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Also stop calling me a liar unless ....

Who is calling you a liar but yourself. You very well know that "can be" and "could be" hardly equates to actually "detrimental" and "harassment". You are misinterpreting the statements. One sided story about Maahes or anything else it hardly what is called the truth. It is a story told by you and true only to you. The real truth is unknown until you invite the other party to offer to their evidence. In any case this is a discussion forum and not a trial. The truth is always out there, and we are under no obligation to believe your one sided claims and deliberate misinterpretations. You are trying to bully people with false claims and bogus threats. Sorry I call your bluff.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Bottom line, the selfish, trollish anti-hunt, anti-social folks are here trying to make an echo chamber full of their bogus claims. Real evidence is in game with all the happy people in hunt LS that are all maxed at 128 and they are always too busy hunting to deal with the nonsense complaints here.

I'm still waiting on that evidence that a single person is "making up" their problems. And of course the hunt LS aren't complaining here, they're too busy doing things like what the OP had to deal with. Nobody in the ivory-walled gardens ever notices the rioting in the streets or the people eating their own feces to survive, unless one of them throws the feces into the garden instead.

And by the way, I did that research I mentioned for ya. Lead GM Enkrateia, weighing in here and in several places later in the same thread.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ia#post2337557

Who is calling you a liar but yourself.

This is almost deliciously ironic coming from the person who quoted my story and replaced the text with "a bunch of bogus hypotheticals".

One sided story about Maahes or anything else it hardly what is called the truth. It is a story told by you and true only to you. The real truth is unknown until you invite the other party to offer to their evidence.

What "other party" exactly? I stated only the actual things which happened to my character (i.e., I engaged battle with Maahes after a party member pulled, I received the Petrify debuff, shortly afterwards Maahes was pulled and I was unable to take actions for several seconds, then I was Petrified again and Maahes was reset again with even more time left on my Petrify timer this time). The simple truth of that incident, whether you stick your fingers and hum real loud or not, is that I received 2 seals on a mob that I found and I shouted a <pos> on because someone else decided that I should be forced to potentially sacrifice my credit so that a group of people I did not know and who may not have even been actively searching for marks could obtain credit on the monster that I found.

[Ghishlain]

The hunts are fine. The examples here are exaggerated stories made by a biased group of hunt haters. Given how many people are hunting in game at any time and how many of them actually use the hunt websites and calling out which elite marks are open and how everyone would fan out and search for them. and this is with strangers and happens all the time. That evidence far outweight all the bogus anecdotes along with the crying moaning that goes on in these threads.

I am amazed at how blissfully ignorant you wish to remain about the negative attitude of hunts and your continual white knighting of a fundamentally flawed system that was poorly implemented and has caused much headache and grief (as well, I agree, much joy and cheer).

I guess I will say this. The system is highly rewarding, much to rewarding for the amount of effort a player contributes to get their shinies. I will admit the system has brought many shiny new pieces of gear to many players at little to no grief, but at the same time the system also brings out a very dark side of emotions from people, both on the pro-hunt and anti-hunt side. Ignoring this strife and believing it doesn't exist is ignorant at best.

Much how you believe the stories posted here are complete exaggerations from a biased group of hunt haters, your stance certainly isn't compelling in the fact that you believe all "early pulls" are trolls and griefers and should be reset upon instantly to help more people get their contribution, despite the negative impact it may cause on other players.

Wait times are a common courtesy extended by the general server population. They do not need to be followed if a player chooses not to. If the pro-hunt begin to ostracize and sling slurs and threats at said individual or group for "playing the game" legitimately, the "pro-hunt" side is no better than the griefing side of the "anti-hunt" equation as two wrongs do not make a right in this matter.

You are willfully ignoring the negativity associated with this activity and hiding behind the veil of the amount of good this group is doing by claiming that the stories posted here and in other threads are "exaggerated stories made by a biased group of hunt haters".

There probably isn't much more to say to you as it is pretty clear you are quite entrenched in your position about this. Have a good evening. /bows

[Ashkendor]

The hunts are fine. The examples here are exaggerated stories made by a biased group of hunt haters. Given how many people are hunting in game at any time and how many of them actually use the hunt websites and calling out which elite marks are open and how everyone would fan out and search for them. and this is with strangers and happens all the time. That evidence far outweight all the bogus anecdotes along with the crying moaning that goes on in these threads.

The B marks have already been taken away, what else do these trolls want?

Bottom line, the selfish, trollish anti-hunt, anti-social folks are here trying to make an echo chamber full of their bogus claims. Real evidence is in game with all the happy people in hunt LS that are all maxed at 128 and they are always too busy hunting to deal with the nonsense complaints here.

I think you need to step away from the keyboard if you're going to be this vituperative and emotional. There's no need for name-calling and there's no need to be nasty. People can actually disagree and still be civil to each other. Novel concept. At the end of the day, nobody's going to want to listen to you if you're being a jerk.

In any case, if I'm a biased hunt-hater, why have I spent so much time hunting? Lmao.

You're coming off as someone that's just here to make drama.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

*sigh* At this point I feel I'm going to lose my temper worse if I continue, so I'm going to step away for now. I want to note one thing though: I prefer waiting. The Maahes incident was an outlier in how I do things because the rest of the party was waiting on us so we could do the trial we were grouping up for, and our SMN decided on a balance between "making our party wait" and "giving others a chance to show up. However I have no delusions about waiting: it's something I choose to do because I think it's a decent thing to do. Resetting and subjecting people to the sort of vitriol the OP received, on the other hand, is by no metric "decent". It's in fact actionable and despicable.

[NyarukoW]

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And by the way, I did that research I mentioned for ya. Lead GM Enkrateia, weighing in here and in several places later in the same thread.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ia#post2337557



This is almost deliciously ironic coming from the person who quoted my story and replaced the text with "a bunch of bogus hypotheticals".

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And what the moderator write:

"I would like to note, before closing, that hypothetical situations are usually something I do not like to use, since they tend to simplify a situation to give a certain bias or justification. This example is no different, and should not be used as justification for that type of behaviour or assumption of another customer's guilt. Every situation is unique, and only through a GM investigation can the full situation be reviewed and a final determination be made.
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HYPOTHETICAL!!!

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I think you need to step away from the keyboard if you're going to be this vituperative and emotional. There's no need for name-calling and there's no need to be nasty. ....

Who is being vituperative and emotional and who is calling-names? What was the title of this thread again? "Early Pull Bridgade"? The OP is calling people names and making up stories and was nasty from the start. I've not called anyone names.

Early puller trolling hunts are selfish players and deliberately detrimental to everyone else. This is a fact not name calling. People that supports that behavior simply do NOT like this fact pointed out.